TSA pilot issue on abc evening news

[N1atEcon]

Just saw the clip- ABC. Watch it, call your union,write letters. We have to stop this.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Is it the express jet FO again?

 

[N1atEcon]

No! I saw it on central time so it is coming soon to Mt. and P time.
I missed the first few seconds so i don't know if it was a union rep or who it was. very well spoken and professional. He spoke of a pilot who was basically molested while trying to go to work. The TSA provided some info about the new AIT machines. with radiaion numbers, i.e. they are fine, wink wink.

 

[EWR_FO]

Just saw the clip- ABC. Watch it, call your union,write letters. We have to stop this.

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/major-pilots-unions-rebel-tsa-screening-rules-urge/story?id=12100247

 

[densoo]

Old story, but maybe this will stop it

The TSA provided some info about the new AIT machines. with radiaion numbers, i.e. they are fine, wink wink.

By Roger Yu, USA TODAY

The Electronic Privacy Information Center, a privacy advocacy group in Washington, D.C., has sued the Department of Homeland Security in federal court, seeking an emergency stay of the controversial airport body scanner program.

The scanners, currently deployed at 19 airports, are whole-body imaging devices used for airport security screening. The scanners reveal the surface of the skin under clothing and prosthetics.

The program is "unlawful, invasive, and ineffective," says Marc Rotenberg, president of EPIC and lead counsel in the case.

According to the EPIC filing, the Transportation Security Administration program violates the federal Privacy Act, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and the Administrative Procedures Act.

It also asserts that the program violates the Fourth Amendment, as the body scanners are "highly invasive and are applied to all air travelers without any particular suspicion."

The program's proponents, including former Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, argue that the TSA limits the number of officers who can see the images and separates the officers looking at images from the passengers being screened. The scanners also use software to blur the faces on the images. Travelers can also elect to bypass the machines and receive a pat-down instead.

In an editorial written for the Washington Post in January, Chertoff said the machines are "configured to prevent TSA officers from storing or retaining any images."

But Rotenberg says government records obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit revealed that "the TSA required that the devices be able to store and record images of naked air travelers."

Posted Jul 9 2010 12:15PM

http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/...awsuit-to-block-airport-body-scanners/99431/1

 

[densoo]

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/major-pilots-unions-rebel-tsa-screening-rules-urge/story?id=12100247

Great presentation. Reporter said "TSA says they'll be working with pilot unions on this issue" and anchor said "It is a brewing volcano." Sweet.

The only thing lacking was the statement, "why are pilots being subjected to this when they are at the controls of the plane to begin with?"

 

[Lowrider717]

I think they realize that if they quell the resistance within the Pilot Group/Unions, and can get the media off their backs, then they can continue with the reeducation/subjugation of the masses. DONT LET UP!

 

[Lowrider717]

http://www.naturalnews.com/030339_pilots_naked_body_scanners.html

 

[N1atEcon]

I think they realize that if they quell the resistance within the Pilot Group/Unions, and can get the media off their backs, then they can continue with the reeducation/subjugation of the masses. DONT LET UP!

That is exactly right. If we keep throwing a hissy the more the public will not want to get radiated or fondled either.

 

[Raoul Duke]

ALPA and APA (prob just APA because ALPA is spineless) should join in the lawsuit. The increased radiation exposure to pilots makes us a better plaintiff than regular passengers.

 

[Crzipilot]

Alpa, your joking right? They are currently working behind the scenes to see if they can come up with another idea concurrent to crew pass, in which they can roll out in a testing phase which will take another 2 yrs to test and see if it works. This will provide the eyewash to the mass due payers that the mothership is working on it, How long has it been 26 yrs now?

I believe I was told, it's ultimately up to the individual airports to decide what level of security to subject crew members to. They do have the option of installing biometric type scanners and such, but opt not to. If alpa was ever serious, they could have had this solved many years ago...

 

[JoeMerchant]

ALPA won't do $h!t.....run by too many people like Rez O. Lewshun....

Individually, we can do what ALPA refuses to do.....

Notice how APA and USAPA have voiced opposition...Where is ALPA? Rez? PCL_128?

 

[Dornier 335]

The only thing lacking was the statement, "why are pilots being subjected to this when they are at the controls of the plane to begin with?"

Well done, densoo. This shows that we have to ask the right questions.

 

[skywav8r]

ALPA won't do $h!t.....run by too many people like Rez O. Lewshun....

Individually, we can do what ALPA refuses to do.....

Notice how APA and USAPA have voiced opposition...Where is ALPA? Rez? PCL_128?

I agree with JoeMerchant. Where is ALPA? Thank you APA for stepping up and showing some backbone. Fwiw, I did write my rep and received a reply. He didn't like getting his mojo radiated either and will be taking this issue to the MEC meeting.

 

[Data]

Here's an idea, by the end of this week, make it a point to let your ALPA rep know that this is horses sh!t, it's time to get Crewpass up and running.

 

[Data]

Deleted....already mentioned in another thread...

 

[sat74]

In Europe, pilots would call for a 1 day strike or longer until dedicated crew screening areas were implemented.

Why do Americans just roll over and take it up the a55 all the time?!!

 

[nightfr8er]

If alpa was ever serious, they could have had this solved many years ago...

ALPA should take that money that've been siphoning off from us for so long and pay to have Crew Pass up and running at EVERY airport. I thought that was the whole reason that they were going down that road in the first place. What good is it to get the thing approved, and then not put it in place?

 

[Dornier 335]

... Where is ALPA? ...

Easy people! Alpa is right here and on time. From their website (under Top News):

ALPA Statement on Airline Passenger Security Screening
October 22, 2010 - The Air Line Pilots Association Int’l. (ALPA) fully supports effective airline passenger security screening. In fact, ALPA played a key role in influencing the federal government to mandate passenger screening in the early 1970s.
Recently, the use of Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) as a security screening tool has raised privacy and other concerns in North America and around the world. ALPA acknowledges the reservations and concerns that some have expressed about the use of AIT. Countering these issues, however, is the fact that AIT can provide a significantly greater level of security than do walk-through metal detectors to keep improvised explosive devices and other threat objects off of airline aircraft.
Looking to the future, ALPA is advocating for the development of a trust-based security system that will focus on determining whether an individual possesses hostile intent using threat-object detection technology as a supplement to the screening process. Once implemented, this system will help reduce the need for use of invasive screening methods for the vast majority of the traveling public.
Responding to a Congressional mandate, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has already endorsed one component of a threat-based security system by approving implementation of the ALPA-conceived Crew Personnel Advanced Screening System (CrewPASS). CrewPASS, a dedicated security screening process for flight crewmembers, validates the identity and confirms the employment status of crewmembers in real time. ALPA has obtained the required approval from TSA for nationwide CrewPASS implementation; the Association is urging each carrier to make this system available for use of their flight crewmembers.
Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s largest pilot union, representing nearly 53,000 pilots at 38 airlines in the United States and Canada. Visit the ALPA website at www.alpa.org.

 

[olympus593]

Easy people! Alpa is right here and on time. From their website (under Top News):

ALPA Statement on Airline Passenger Security Screening
October 22, 2010 - The Air Line Pilots Association Int’l. (ALPA) fully supports effective airline passenger security screening. In fact, ALPA played a key role in influencing the federal government to mandate passenger screening in the early 1970s.
Recently, the use of Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) as a security screening tool has raised privacy and other concerns in North America and around the world. ALPA acknowledges the reservations and concerns that some have expressed about the use of AIT. Countering these issues, however, is the fact that AIT can provide a significantly greater level of security than do walk-through metal detectors to keep improvised explosive devices and other threat objects off of airline aircraft.
Looking to the future, ALPA is advocating for the development of a trust-based security system that will focus on determining whether an individual possesses hostile intent using threat-object detection technology as a supplement to the screening process. Once implemented, this system will help reduce the need for use of invasive screening methods for the vast majority of the traveling public.
Responding to a Congressional mandate, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has already endorsed one component of a threat-based security system by approving implementation of the ALPA-conceived Crew Personnel Advanced Screening System (CrewPASS). CrewPASS, a dedicated security screening process for flight crewmembers, validates the identity and confirms the employment status of crewmembers in real time. ALPA has obtained the required approval from TSA for nationwide CrewPASS implementation; the Association is urging each carrier to make this system available for use of their flight crewmembers.
Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s largest pilot union, representing nearly 53,000 pilots at 38 airlines in the United States and Canada. Visit the ALPA website at www.alpa.org.

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