TSA or ASA, who would you rather work for?

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If you had to choose between these companies, which would choose and why? Let say you have a job offer at both, with class dates starting around the time.

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mamba20

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I've got a buddy at ASA he says so far so good.
 
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BlackPilot628

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I would go to ASA.
ASA is a pretty good company to work and they're still growing.

I'm hopeful that ALPA will get them the contract that they deserve. The pilot group is great.

TSA is kind of up and down. While in ground school at FSI in STL, there was a friend of mine going through Capt upgrade on the E145; he likes working at TSA, but feels that they're going to loose the Us Airways contact.
 

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I'd work for the TSA so I could frisk the girls.
 

PHX-AV8OR

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Work for ASA! It's full of great people to work with, along with exceptional travel benefits.
 

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If SkyWest and ASA merge, what would that mean to a guy who's on he bottom of the list?
 

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TEXAN AVIATOR said:
If SkyWest and ASA merge, what would that mean to a guy who's on he bottom of the list?
NOTHING!!!!!! 'Cause it AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN......
 

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Go to ASA! If you're going to be an FO for a while you might as well do it at a descent company- TSA blows (the flight crews are great but management is the worst). The first year pay may be a little better at TSA, but by year 2 ASA already blows away TSA (by about $10 per hour) and that is without whatever new contract comes in. I don't know about management at ASA, but TSA management continually and willfully violates the pilot and flight attendant contracts and tells us to greive it- that litterally takes years to settle many of the grievances. There are problems with all management, but I have to say TSA has got to be among the worst as far as treating it's employees.
 
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210FR8DOG

I agree with all the opinions stated so far, I think ASA is prob. a better place. But consider for a moment that TSA has about 700 pilots and upgrade is decent at the moment around 1.5 yrs j-41 to 3 yrs jet. ASA has probably double that number of pilots and I would think upgrade would be much slower.(???) Upgrade quicker at a crappy company or FO at a decent company? tuf choice.
 

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210FR8DOG said:
I agree with all the opinions stated so far, I think ASA is prob. a better place. But consider for a moment that TSA has about 700 pilots and upgrade is decent at the moment around 1.5 yrs j-41 to 3 yrs jet. ASA has probably double that number of pilots and I would think upgrade would be much slower.(???) Upgrade quicker at a crappy company or FO at a decent company? tuf choice.
The last J41 upgrade announced at Trans States had a hire date of September '03. Hard to say what will happen with the current STL CA list. Most have far less than 1000 PIC due to crappy J41 schedules. Many were ERJ FOs that jumped to the prop for early PIC time (TSA require 3000 hours TT for J41 captian upgrades, 4000 TT for ERJ). Those guys want nothing more than to get off the J41 when seat lock is up.

If TSA wins the coming arbitration over its alter-ego Ho Jet carrier, there will probably never be new flying on the TSA cert. (Hulas would never pay a nickel more for a pilot than he has to, and if he can find spineless pilots that will jump at a bad deal ...) OTOH if TSA loses an arbitration, combined with current heavy attrition opportunity for "fast" upgrade could be good.

So ... upgrade times change all the time. But good companys stay good for long periods of time. As do bad ones. If you go for what appears to be a fast upgrade today at a company that is hostile to pilots, and things change for the worse ....
 

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Black Water Dog said:
The last J41 upgrade announced at Trans States had a hire date of September '03. QUOTE]

Actually, there are 2 guys in the July J41 upgrade class hired in Jan 04.
 

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You know the image of ASA is plummetting when people are asking if you are better than TSA. Thats no disrespect to the pilots of TSA, but ASA used to be one of the most sought after regionals. Now management has made the pilots bitter, the contract is grossly outdated and our public image has sufferred. Good luck whichever way you go.
 

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As a newbie at ASA I say go for it. Sure there are a lot of complainers on here but when you actually get there you will find most people are more than happy. Just remember people generally (at least Americains) only voice their opinion when they are not happy...
 

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millhouse21 said:
Black Water Dog said:
The last J41 upgrade announced at Trans States had a hire date of September '03. QUOTE]

Actually, there are 2 guys in the July J41 upgrade class hired in Jan 04.
Yep, you're right, my bad. But I would still advise the original poster to pick based on quality of company. Besides, the ASA guys will all be working for SkyWest soon
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BlackPilot628 said:
I would go to ASA.
but feels that they're going to loose the Us Airways contact.
jtf said:
to be an FO for a while you might as well do it at a descent company- TSA blows (the flight crews are great but management is the worst.

"Loose" the contract? A "descent" company?

Jeez

If I had a nickel for the loose/lose thing
 
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