TSA/ALPA's Race to bottom, not GJ

[redbook]

Just watch ALPA and DW will sell out.....

I am done with you Regional Punks you will screw your selves in the end.

Just watch....

But I guarantee we won't let you and your scumbag g0jet boys screw us. We and our union will choose our course, and we will vote on it. You scumbags will have no say and I can just hear the panic in your voice. STAPLE....ONE LIST

calling us regional punks, that was a nice touch Dan.

 

[767200]

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[jetfueljunkey]

I wish ALL of the pilots at TSA the best! Good luck....We feel your pain.....Freedom was our thorn! It cost us $$$ and quality of life to capture that flying! Thanks again to all of the F.A.G.'s (FREEDOM A GROUP) out there that helped mesa lower the bar........As for the Go-Jet guys...wake up and smell the coffee.....you are just a pawn in managements game to get slave labor! you will be treated great by management for what maybe a year then they will s*!t on you!

 

[JoeMerchant]

G0Jets is yet another example of ALPA and APA not understanding the law of unintended consequences. This lack of understanding is responsible for the creation of Freedom, MidAtlantic, Republic, and now G0jets. For more on this issue, take a look here:

http://www.rjdefense.com/2005/DCI_061505.pdf

 

[KingKong2]

G0Jets is yet another example of ALPA and APA not understanding the law of unintended consequences. This \0\0
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UNION mentality at it finest.....

Which hurts the industry more:
1. Go-Jet flying for industry average contract as a seperate company under Teamsters?

--or--

2. Go-Jet flying for Mesa rates as an ALPA carrier just so DW can be their leader?

Union's will ALAP their soul just to get a contract.....

 

[Standby 1]

The pilots at g0jets can justify this however they want (and I'm sure the former TWAers that are on the list over there are quite good at this). You can blame it on how you were treated at previous carriers or any other industry issue that's popped up over the past 30 years or so. But now matter how well you think you are justifying your actions, we know and you know exactly what it is you are doing.

Someone screwed you so you are going to get even by screwing as many other pilots as you can, regardless of who they are, all just to try to alleviate some of your bitterness. No one promised you a perfect career....no one promised any of us that. In the end, all you have is your personal integrity.

So keep on whining and justifying as if you were the only pilot that bad stuff has ever happened to.....furloughed? Big deal - I've been furloughed too. Airline out of business? I've had 3 go under on me. There's nothing you can whine about that hasn't happened to 90% of us out there.

Remember: life is NOT about what happens to you...it's about how you deal with what happens to you.


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[TWA Dude]

What about the backstabbers and cheats at EAgle and TSA that are flying my TWA routes I flew in the MD80 you PUNK!

Now this is sad from an ex-TWA guy. I flew for TSA from 9/03-4/04 and I flew many routes I'd previously flown at TWA. The pilots had nothing to do with it and you demean our profession by misplacing the blame. One thing I've learned is that just because I've been screwed doesn't mean it's right to screw others. Everybody knows that TSA management is an evil entity and that G0Jets is a union-busting effort. True, the intent is to bypass APA's scope but then considering the flying is for United it's a technical violation only and frankly not something that distresses me. But TSA could've chosen to work with ALPA and made G0Jet a common seniority list to begin with. Flying for G0Jets isn't scabbing and I disagree with those who dilute the meaning of the word scab but at the same time you're aiding and abetting a union-busting effort. And BTW I've been a Teamster before as well and can tell you that they are in no way a better union than ALPA. IMHO it's the pilots and not the particular union who defines how strong and united a pilot group is.

It distresses me to know that ex-TWAers are on the G0Jets list but we all know that every airline has that "ten percent". It's not too late to redeem yourselves and work with ALPA to prevent TSA from screwing the TSA pilots -- again.

 

[redbook]

UNION mentality at it finest.....

Which hurts the industry more:
1. Go-Jet flying for industry average contract as a seperate company under Teamsters?

--or--

2. Go-Jet flying for Mesa rates as an ALPA carrier just so DW can be their leader?

Union's will ALAP their soul just to get a contract.....

Nice try, I will correct you yet again.
THE REAL COMPARISON

TSA pilots flying g0jet airplanes under their cba and one list versus off the street malcontents and one year atr f/os trying to jump ahead in seniority of 15 year captains.

For the one millionth time you will have no rebuttal and try and make it an issue of anything than what it really is, just like scabs would. I know you are not a scab, but you are very similar in motivations and reasonings.

You keep changing your argument trying to find something that works. Give it up and admit you made a mistake, leave the industry and move on with your life. Today.

 

[redbook]

Just reading the posts by standby1 and twa dude, it is clear how professionals behave and think. Everyone is down on the industry and our fellow pilots, but I believe that those two posts are more representative of the vast majority of pilots than the other g0jet pilots posts.

The g0jet pilots posts in this thread are pathetic. I think standby1 and twa dude have pretty much said it all and if they (g0jet pilots) can't understand it now, well it is just too late for them.

 

[smokey999]

UNION mentality at it finest.....

Which hurts the industry more:
1. Go-Jet flying for industry average contract as a seperate company under Teamsters?

--or--

2. Go-Jet flying for Mesa rates as an ALPA carrier just so DW can be their leader?

Union's will ALAP their soul just to get a contract.....

Wow, I have a hard time keeping a straight face when I read the nonsense you post.
Do you really, now think about this, really think for a second that TSA, or TSAH would pay GJ pilots industry average if they could get the job done cheaper? You must not be to familiar with HK. This guy is a smart, savvy, step on your own mother to get a buck, business man.
This has been the motivation for starting GJ's the whole time....Cheaper wages. As others have stated, you are just a pawn.

 

[Black Water Dog]

Sorry TSA pilots who listen to your MEC BS, but the truth does hurt and when the G0 jEt contract is published so all can see, you'll be kicking yourself in the arse that you didn't take the company up on their generous offer to go fly for them for up to 5th year pay from the start...and even get to leave that worthless piece of ALPA. (ps. they really helped TWA didn't they...also held talks behind their backs)

Firstly, I would not think to argue on behalf of ALPA. They continue to be the union for major airline pilots, not the regional guys. All ALPA wanted from me was 2% of my pay, and major airline scope clauses will keep me in RJ's for the majority of my flying career. Thanks a lot ALPA.

Secondly, the only published offer known is that put in the mailboxes of TSA pilots. They lost block or better pay, lost two days off per month, and gained (about) $1.50 per hour over already low 50 seat rates. Do you have new rates you could share with us? I didn't think so.

Thirdly, why is it that the people supporting HoJets all have such new (circa May) registrations on the boards? Could hulas actually being paying his management hacks to carpet bomb pilot boards? hulas spending an unnecessary nickel would indeed be something new.

 

[Black Water Dog]

At first I thought you were management. After reading it I realized that most managers can write at at least a high school freshman level.

Don't be too sure about that. TSA probably pays middle and lower management as poorly as everyone else there. So, he gets the people that can't be employed anywhere else.

 

[Black Water Dog]

And they are not jumping in front of TSA pilots, they were all offered employment there at the SEPERATE CARRIER before anyone else was.

In this, you are correct. They were offered a bad deal before anyone else. And of 700 pilots, perhaps 5 line pilots took the deal.

 

[FlyChicaga]

If abcdef is former TWA, it is fairly easy to determine who they are as found on the Go-Jets anti-pilot website. Disappointing, because the TWA pilots always seemed to be this separate brotherhood of pilots who really impressed me.

 

[tjsatter]

If abcdef is former TWA, it is fairly easy to determine who they are as found on the Go-Jets anti-pilot website. Disappointing, because the TWA pilots always seemed to be this separate brotherhood of pilots who really impressed me.

Where is this website?

tj

 

[abcdef]

If abcdef is former TWA, it is fairly easy to determine who they are as found on the Go-Jets anti-pilot website. Disappointing, because the TWA pilots always seemed to be this separate brotherhood of pilots who really impressed me.

That's the beauty of this board. I could be a G0 jEt pilot, i may not be. I could be TWA, or not, or Eagle, or Chicago Express, or a CFI, or not. I can imposter just about anyone I want to...
and the best thing is that I can deliver endless flamebait, as abcdef or make up another one, and you morons will spend hours and hours on this board debating my posts.
Don't worry this is my last post and read of this goofy board, you boys have fun!

 

[KingKong2]

I can imposter just about anyone I want to...
and the best thing is that I can deliver endless flamebait, as abcdef or make up another one, and you morons will spend hours and hours on this board debating my posts.

HEHEHEEEEEE........ How true!!!

Now, time to go get drunk and get laid....

BYE BYE.....Have fun on the board tonite boys....and say hi to Rosie and her sister's.

It's Friday night, get a life guys!!!!!!

 

[21stDustDevil]

If GJ was only created to get around APA scope then why aren't TSA pilots entitled to fly those aircraft under the SAME contract with one seniority list? The same thing is going on at CHQ with Shuttle America and Republic. However, the aircraft are all being flown by the same seniority list and fall under the same contract. That's fair. The GJ deal is not.

Not true. There is not a single seniority list. It has gone to arbitration and has not heppened.

 

[21stDustDevil]

In this, you are correct. They were offered a bad deal before anyone else. And of 700 pilots, perhaps 5 line pilots took the deal.

Not true. Your so called "list" proves that. And, not that it matters to me, but I have been hearing of many more on their way over.

 

[BoilerUP]

Semantics. There are recent Shuttle newhires on the CHQ master seniority list, they are going to the arbitrator to work out integration of Shuttle Saab pilots with the CHQ master list.