Trying to understand GOJETS

[Lynxman]

See...thats something I never thought about. The whole GJ thing is quite the conundrum to a new guy so you've got to excuse me if I come/came off ace-deuce in the past.

I'm still proud to think that a pilot group stood up to MGMT and said "NO" at least once in this industry, even if that basically meant the end of said group.

Agreed

 

[BigLebowski]

It's not an alter ego. That would mean that if TSA did ok the flying, they would then be flying for an alter ego. It's a different airline. ALPA sued but a judge determined it to NOT be an alter ego. The issue with everyone is not the actual airline Gojet, it's the pilots.

As far as pay, hulas didn't have any money. Remember TS is a private company. He did have a ********************ty proposal with only a few dollars pay raise for flying 16 more people. He told them, in exchange for an approval, he would promise them a better contract down the road. Basically a take it now and fix it later scenario. TSA didn't believe him and now TSA is in the ********************ter because of that mistake. Gojet as promised, got their contract in about 1.5 years but negotiations statrted pretty much a few months after the airline was established. Yes, in prinicple Hulas should not have done it but TSA basically gave him no choice. If you know TSA, there is a very very negative pilot/management relations and it's no accident that 2005 happened. It was all or nothing, no negotiations by the pilots and time was running out for hulas to start manning the CRJs. The defeated TSA pilots who brought this upon themselves, continue to refuse the fact that they made a mistake in refusing the flying. They see what the end result has been a that is why to this day we still have threads like this. The ultimate irony is that I hear they now want to form a single seniority list with the current negotiations. It took them 3.5 years.

You make your decision on Gojet.

this is pretty close to 100% accurate. I sat in the union meetings and listened. That very day I put my resume elsewhere and never looked back.

 

[fr8r]

Not being a 121 guy has you sheltered. Doesn't even matter what Gojets pay is, they're an alter ego, period. And as for incentive at Eagle, all growth has been halted so it's better to be at a place with better pay/contract, than say, mesa. It's the guys that decide to go to Eagle instead of Gojet if offered both that offers hope that there's people left in this country that have principles.

I am far from sheltered... if you want to talk about what happens in the rest of the world, I'll be happy to let you know. It's just that I don't spend my life belly aching like some pilots... I work for a living in the 135 world. I get it done and don't complain about it. It was a legitimate question. I was just wondering what the gripe is... I hadn't even heard of this company until about 3 weeks ago.

Also, I mentioned that I knew how the company came to existence, alter-ego or not... it doesn't matter. (FYI, I tend to blame AMR) I would just like more clarification about this pay situation. It just looks to me like the pay is just the same low-ball pay like every other regional. So, who doesn't think all regionals don't pay enough? I certainly think the pay at all of them sucks. So that begs the question... all things being equal, what is different about gojets pay? enough of the political BS... someone answer the question. So far, CX880 seems to be on track, but hasn't really answered the question.

 

[CX880]

Says the GJ skumbag.

Listen. Make sure you look over the before start checklist on that 172. Make sure tha vacum gauge is working. Ok. If you don't feel comfortable, just call the tower and ask them for directions in the pattern so that you can land ok? If you feel like you can't do it, just let me know ok? Otherwise for a pre-solo student you're doing fine. Don't worry about giving advice to the professional pilots out there you are not there yet, just focus on the 172 and make sure you don't have a vacum failure.

 

[Raskal]

... So that begs the question... all things being equal, what is different about gojets pay? enough of the political BS... someone answer the question. So far, CX880 seems to be on track, but hasn't really answered the question.

Oh young jedi, soon you'll understand the power of the "gojet thread on FI" force...

 

[fr8r]

Oh young jedi, soon you'll understand the power of the "gojet thread on FI" force...

LOL! I guess that just saying gojets is flammable.

 

[CX880]

So that begs the question... all things being equal, what is different about gojets pay? .

Nothing. If you're coming from the pt135 world, where people do their job and don't complain, it's going to be totally different at the airlines. Not all complain but it's a different mindset.

 

[Captzaahlie]

So are they hiring Captains off the street right now?

 

[Salukipilot4590]

So are they hiring Captains off the street right now?

I don't think so...I'm almost positive they're just hiring F/Os now (from how many of my friends seem to send my Facebook messages about their cool new jobs).

I'm sure CAs are hired as F/Os and upgrade after a few months. I could be totally wrong.

Side thought: Man what I would do to fly a Q400 or an ATR right now...

 

[35off]

scumbag

Listen. Make sure you look over the before start checklist on that 172. Make sure tha vacum gauge is working. Ok. If you don't feel comfortable, just call the tower and ask them for directions in the pattern so that you can land ok? If you feel like you can't do it, just let me know ok? Otherwise for a pre-solo student you're doing fine. Don't worry about giving advice to the professional pilots out there you are not there yet, just focus on the 172 and make sure you don't have a vacum failure.

I fly an emb145 and I think your a scumbag. I would love to run into you sometime in a dark alley. You stole a year of my life and about 30k. Anyone in a gojet uniform is the equivalent and will be treated the rest of thier lives that way by me. I have to smile now as you scumbags board my plane but one day I will be working somewhere else and I will get revenge every chance I get.

 

[Lynxman]

He thinks he's a professional pilot because he back stabbed and got an at Hojets. Jealousy eats him up inside because he is not as good as the rest and lives his life 24/7 on this board proclaiming how Hojets is amazing.

 

[CX880]

I fly an emb145 and I think your a scumbag. I would love to run into you sometime in a dark alley. You stole a year of my life and about 30k. Anyone in a gojet uniform is the equivalent and will be treated the rest of thier lives that way by me. I have to smile now as you scumbags board my plane but one day I will be working somewhere else and I will get revenge every chance I get.

lol. How did I steal a year of your life? Get real. I didn't form Gojet, you did.

 

[CX880]

He thinks he's a professional pilot because he back stabbed and got an at Hojets. Jealousy eats him up inside because he is not as good as the rest and lives his life 24/7 on this board proclaiming how Hojets is amazing.

You're going to love reserve but listen enjoy that 172 ok. Try to keep yourself alive and don't feel bad that you didn't get that GOjet interview, maybe next time or after 6 months.

 

[OUPilot01]

CX880 how in the hell can you make fun of someone flying a 172 at least he can hold his head up around other pilots. You can rationalize all day long but the fact you have to continue to defend your piece of Sh*t company says a lot about the way it was formed. I flew those prop planes you look so down on a lot longer then I had to so I could go to a reputable airline. I refuse to be one of the reasons that this career is being dragged down. I also have a feeling that Lynxman has more respect for himself and this career then to put his resume in at hojets

 

[DoinTime]

lol. How did I steal a year of your life? Get real. I didn't form Gojet, you did.

I think you are a scumbag too.