trying to back off from being excessively nice, to just giving really good service,"

[TWA Dude]

Remember: If you're flying an A320 then ALL your flight time is on autopilot...

Hey, TC, that hits too close to home. I'll have you know I've discovered the perfect way to freak out my captains: on a crystal clear day I announce I'm going to manually fly the visual by turning the Bus into a DC9, manual thrust and no FDs. Afterwords some of them even claim they're gonna try it.

 

[AA717driver]

Hey, TC, that hits too close to home. I'll have you know I've discovered the perfect way to freak out my captains: on a crystal clear day I announce I'm going to manually fly the visual by turning the Bus into a DC9, manual thrust and no FDs. Afterwords some of them even claim they're gonna try it.

Right now, in Tolouse, there's a French engineer who's having a stroke!

You've been trained well, my son... TC

P.S.--How's married life?

 

[TWA Dude]

TC: just hit my six-month anniverary: a first for both of us! Our biggest fight so far has been over toothpaste-drool splatter in the sink.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

I still have my flight bag from when PEX was alive. Does that make me ignorant?

Reading about an event and being there are two vastly different things. If someone was at PEX during the slide to its purchase by Lorenzo, could they please comment on this discussion?

In 32LT's defense (which is rare for me... ) if he didn't work at PEX, he was probably somewhere watching on the sidelines. That's a better vantage than reading about it.

That's like someone who was in high school in the early 90's trying to tell me what happened at PanAm at the end because they "read the book".

Hopefully, we can hear from someone at PEX who might be able to relate events there to things at JB now and put this issue to rest.TC

P.S.--Bavarian Chef--Your comments belittling 32LT's flight time are inappropriate. You sound like a member of a management negotiating team. Remember: If you're flying an A320 then ALL your flight time is on autopilot...

Whatever. I am not belittling his flight time. He's the one who brought it up in order to belittle another member. Let's just call the spade a spade -- the bigger the airplane, the less actual flying time the pilots get. And as for me and the airbus -- I COULD CARE LESS if I am at the controls or if george is.

 

[32LT10]

If you are still carrying the same bag all that proves is that you are as ignorant now as you were then. As for your experience vs mine, history is based on fact and not your distorted perception of reality.

Try looking back at routes, types of aircraft, reservation systems, management styles, supporting management personell, etc...

But then again, you know everything.

Moron!!!!

The gist of the thought on flight time Alice is that with only 4K of flight time you could not have been in this industry more than about 8 years and that is being generous. So 1998 was a long time after PEX. I was flying during the PEX event, have flown with many ex-PEX pilots and remember most of the trauma from the 80's very vividly. At UAL we hired a large number of the PEX people after they shutdown. Having a direct experience during that time and your lack of actual experience with these events was the reason for the variable of the flight time.

Ignorance, is your not accepting the fact that you have no basis to judge what PEX was like as you most likely were crawling around a crib when they were flying.

 

[Lake Alice]

Once again ignorance is bliss. Are you so arrogant in your superior knowledge of the industry and my experience that you missed the possibility I was working in another industry during that time? Apparently so.

You "worked" with people who were there...blah, blah, blah...

You had first hand experience because you knew people there...blah, blah, blah...

You've carried the same bag since PEX went under...blah, blah, blah...

Holy crap you are an idiot!!!!

I can guarantee I have pretty much the same knowledge of PEX as you do from speaking to some of the very same people. The difference is the people I know don't compare B6 directly to PEX. Those who actualy knew what was going on speak of the truth in a much different light than you. But since you "know" some people and have read a tidbit of a book written by a news paper reporter then once again you are an expert.

The truth is you are a ****. You're an arrogant **** who has a bad reputation at your airline. Your airline, represented by you and your actions, is on the brink of demise and you have an attitude problem. You thought since "yo"nited hired you then you must be the greatest pilot ever. Truth be told, you are over the hill, divorced, angry and destined to continue your lonely and sad lifestyle.

Anyone who has studied the past can make accurate comparisons. You cannot and total flight time has nothing to do with it. You were'nt actualy there, neither was I, but I have the common sense to know apples and oranges. In the same way you compare B6 to PEX lets just compare United to Pan Am, TWA or any other long gone airline and the similarities there are much closer to anything being discussed here. Bad management, bad business plan, inability to adapt and the token ****** who thinks he knows everything.

Come on guys--argue, use logic, make your points...but don't resort to "name calling."

 

[IB6 UB9]

Thankfully he has to wear an ankle bracelet now to record his whereabouts.

 

[32LT10]

Once again ignorance is bliss. Are you so arrogant in your superior knowledge of the industry and my experience that you missed the possibility I was working in another industry during that time? Apparently so.

I did not post any information that I derived my knowledge of PEX from a newspaper writer that put forth a book. Please reread the post history. I will not elaborate anymore than to say I am confident in my personal knowledge of the events at PEX and even if you were in another industry you were not close enough to the action to know what was going on.

Again only 8 years of (being generous) airline service give you but a glimpse of the activities that occured. If you care to read a fairly good article on PEX, there was an issue of Airline Pilot Magazine in 1988 or 89 (can't remember exactly) but it had a cover with a picture of the PEX logo on the front. Inside was an article that took the reader through the histor of PEX. I would highly recommend you reading that article. Some of the items in the article will open your eyes to the comparison of JBLU and PEX.

I don't care if you compare UAL and PA or TWA. I will be happy to refute those comparisons with facts. You have to provide any data to back up your posistion in this current debate. I can make the B6=TWA comparison if you want? Instead of defending your position you guys like to take pot shots at me on a personal level. I would hope you guys could actually make a point and defend it.

 

[Lake Alice]

Here we go again. Since I wasn't "in the industry" I can't possibly know what was going on. You didn't work for PEX either but your were sitting in a cockpit with another pilot who also DID NOT work for PEX so you know exactly what happened beacause you read a magazine, give me a break. Just because you work in a particular industry does not make you, or anyone else, an industry expert or insider. By your mutated logic then any person who speaks or writes about a topic yet wasnt directly related to the subject has no clue of what he/she discusses. Do you understand the scope of such an idiotic idea? Your ego clearly inhibits any rational thoughts. We all think we know a lot about the industry because we are in it but truth be told no one realy knows because we aren't there. Its all second hand info. Realize it and get used to it because that is the truth. As for comparisons between your outfit and some others, using your logic, bad management and poor business descisions are as comparable as any mentioned here.

As for the personal attacks, its just to easy. You bring it on your self and at the end of the day you have to deal with yourself.

 

[AA717driver]

Well, at least 32LT didn't resort to name-calling. Niiiice.

Apparently when JB hired Alice, their applicant screening process included dragging a pilot's uniform through a trailer park to see who would go after it. (appologies to James Carville )

Now, I feel like I belong in this thread...TC

 

[Lake Alice]

Thats a mobile home park to you.

 

[starvingredtail]

I guess 3210lt is smug because his own airline is not in jepordy of going into bankruptcy, and is making wise financial moves--and is making a healthy profit due to all his years of experience. There are many comparisons to be made to United and People's as well. Both stopped making money, both had leadership issues, both flew airplanes, both had airplanes with wheels on the bottom. All brontosaurasus's are thin at one end, much larger in the middle, and then thin again at the other end. You can make all the comparisons you want. This is a strange industry. The companies will make it or go away. 32's hate for Blue is just weird.

 

[32LT10]

Here we go again. Since I wasn't "in the industry" I can't possibly know what was going on. You didn't work for PEX either but your were sitting in a cockpit with another pilot who also DID NOT work for PEX so you know exactly what happened beacause you read a magazine, give me a break.

Where did you get that interpetation from my post? I did not say I sat beside someone that did not work for PEX. I mentioned the ALPA article to hopefully give you some reference material to do some research. It was written by someone that was there and you can make your own conclusions about the operation.

I suppose you can give me all the information I missed on our Strike in 85, the issues behind PAC DAY and various other industry events that have taken place well before you were given a license to fly.

 

[32LT10]

The truth is you are a ****. You're an arrogant **** who has a bad reputation at your airline. Your airline, represented by you and your actions, is on the brink of demise and you have an attitude problem. You thought since "yo"nited hired you then you must be the greatest pilot ever. Truth be told, you are over the hill, divorced, angry and destined to continue your lonely and sad lifestyle.

Very nice! Your post says more and more about my sterotypes of the B6 group.

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

Hey, why put up with 32. In his fantasy land he thinks he's god and all should bow before his inferior eminence. Go to User CP, Misc., Ignore, and he becomes irrellevant. No opinion, if you want to call it that, No 32.

 

[JBPA]

Hey, why put up with 32. In his fantasy land he thinks he's god and all should bow before his inferior eminence. Go to User CP, Misc., Ignore, and he becomes irrellevant. No opinion, if you want to call it that, No 32.

In his fantasy land, wouldn't he think he is superior vs inferior? You're right about the ignore function though.