Trickle down economics and the airlines

[Smacktard]

Wrong again!

Rez, I'll admit I am not an expert on Chile's history but you've used them as an example of a nation run by corporations. They [corporations] did not rise to power the same way liberals like to think American corporations are rising. Pinochet use the military to achieved this, big difference. I don't think it's a valid example of what can happen when corporate greed takes over. Same with Iraq.

You've avoided the context of my original response, ie, there are more examples, throughout the history of mankind, of governments, especially socialist and communist, that have abused and controlled the people. I'm sorry but Obama's policies are more closely aligned with those of socialism and communism. There are very few, if any, examples in history, of a country that, thru the maturization of capitalism, were controlled by the corporate entities.

Obama represents a significant departure in what this country was founded on, the strength of the individual. He is running on a campaign of wealth transfer via higher taxes. He wants to penalize the successful individuals that already carry the burden of excessive taxation. His policies lead us closer to the examples riddled throughout the history of mankind of governments and policies that have failed and abused the masses.

 

[Dan Roman]

Really? Well, if it's any consolation, I stole it. (Rudy talking about Bidden in 2007) But I thought it was kinda funny.

1. Presumably, you meant "desperate", not "disparate" people. I suppose the case could be made for either. He's helped many "disparate" groups of people . . . indicted slum lords, shady "community groups", an unrepentant terrorist, and black liberation theology religious groups.

But I'm guessing you meant "desperate", although I'm puzzled as to why you would think the most left-leaning member of the US Senate is a champion of the poor by steering them to their own efforts rather than never-ending government aid. His record, his platform, and his speeches quite clearly state the opposite.

2. You like sacrifice for one's country? Like that's some sort of qualification for high office (given the current topic)? BO cannot even begin to come close to the personal sacrifices JM gave for his country. To even try is laughable. There are other qualifiers for high office, but to tout BO's "sacrifice" against REAL sacrifice is simply pathetic.

As for me, my conscience is clear. I've done (and do) plenty, but how would you verify my claims? I didn't "sell out" for Mesa . . . I worked hard and paid a butt-load in dues to almighty ALPA, including some special assessment checks paid without hesitation to striking Comair pilots. Then I parlayed that experience to something better.

May you do the same. If you ever reach a career position that literally takes you decades of hard work and sacrifice to get where you truly want to be, please send the fruits of your hard labor to the federal treasury on your own.

As for me, I'm less than thrilled at the prospect of working for decades to get where I am today only to have the federal government point a gun at my head and coerce me into "spreading my wealth around" by giving it to a bureaucrat in D.C. That's going to mean far less of it going back into my actual local community, where I'd rather put it.

Cheers. Nice Avatar, BTW. Probably one the the funniest things I've ever seen on youtube. She has great, uh, eyes.

Soverytired

I've seen you post and, while I don't agree with all you say, it appears to me you raise some good points (I remember your posts regarding Go)
I think you quit Mesa and went to another regional.
So, my question is, if you're flying for a regional, why do you think you would not better under Obamas plan??

 

[Smacktard]

Soverytired

I've seen you post and, while I don't agree with all you say, it appears to me you raise some good points (I remember your posts regarding Go)
I think you quit Mesa and went to another regional.
So, my question is, if you're flying for a regional, why do you think you would not better under Obamas plan??

I'll take a stab at it. I don't think I'll be better because the high wage earners are the ones that create the jobs, pay the taxes and create the revenue that the rest of the system relies on. It's not a corrupt system, it's the way money works in any society with highly motivated people, mildly motivated people and unmotivated people, ie every society.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I'll take a stab at it. I don't think I'll be better because the high wage earners are the ones that create the jobs, pay the taxes and create the revenue that the rest of the system relies on. It's not a corrupt system, it's the way money works in any society with highly motivated people, mildly motivated people and unmotivated people, ie every society.

The high wage earners are individuals like you and I that start small businesses.... That is the who arguement....

Reginonal pilots work for corporations who function as vendors to megaglobal corporations.... regional pilots have nothing to do with what McCain and Obama are debating WRT Joe the Plumber....

Less than two weeks to go.......

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez, I'll admit I am not an expert on Chile's history but you've used them as an example of a nation run by corporations. They [corporations] did not rise to power the same way liberals like to think American corporations are rising. Pinochet use the military to achieved this, big difference. I don't think it's a valid example of what can happen when corporate greed takes over. Same with Iraq.

You've avoided the context of my original response, ie, there are more examples, throughout the history of mankind, of governments, especially socialist and communist, that have abused and controlled the people. I'm sorry but Obama's policies are more closely aligned with those of socialism and communism. There are very few, if any, examples in history, of a country that, thru the maturization of capitalism, were controlled by the corporate entities.

Obama represents a significant departure in what this country was founded on, the strength of the individual. He is running on a campaign of wealth transfer via higher taxes. He wants to penalize the successful individuals that already carry the burden of excessive taxation. His policies lead us closer to the examples riddled throughout the history of mankind of governments and policies that have failed and abused the masses.

Respectfully your opinion is superficial. You need to provide links and references as I have done.

The Washington Consensus was a major departure from the intent of the Marshall Plan and Bretton Woods.

The IMF and World Bank in the 1980's change their philosophy from helping poor nations with injections of cash (not unlike our recent bailout) to a system of preconditions.

For example... the IMF would provide relief only if a country agree to privatize their infrastructure... the phone company, airlines, water/sewer....

This is not promoting democracy... this is promoting a corporatist agenda.

Again... I posit to you.... gov'ts use their position of strength to impose economic policy. Economic policy that favors the few at the expense of the many.


Nov 04th is coming soon... education is key.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Really? Well, if it's any consolation, I stole it. (Rudy talking about Bidden in 2007) But I thought it was kinda funny.

1. Presumably, you meant "desperate", not "disparate" people. I suppose the case could be made for either. He's helped many "disparate" groups of people . . . indicted slum lords, shady "community groups", an unrepentant terrorist, and black liberation theology religious groups.

Yes... desparate. Typo. But way to work in "terrorists, socialists and other anti-Americans oh my!"

But I'm guessing you meant "desperate", although I'm puzzled as to why you would think the most left-leaning member of the US Senate is a champion of the poor by steering them to their own efforts rather than never-ending government aid. His record, his platform, and his speeches quite clearly state the opposite.

2. You like sacrifice for one's country? Like that's some sort of qualification for high office (given the current topic)? BO cannot even begin to come close to the personal sacrifices JM gave for his country. To even try is laughable. There are other qualifiers for high office, but to tout BO's "sacrifice" against REAL sacrifice is simply pathetic.

Are you aware that McCain lost 5 airplanes and was disobeying orders when he got shot down and landed in the Hanoi Hilton. Yep, he's a Maverick all right. Quite the sacrifice. Especially the life of privilege he's led since he cheated on his wife and kids with Cindy, then left them, married her, and rode off into the sunset.

As for me, my conscience is clear. I've done (and do) plenty, but how would you verify my claims? I didn't "sell out" for Mesa . . . I worked hard and paid a butt-load in dues to almighty ALPA, including some special assessment checks paid without hesitation to striking Comair pilots. Then I parlayed that experience to something better.

May you do the same. If you ever reach a career position that literally takes you decades of hard work and sacrifice to get where you truly want to be, please send the fruits of your hard labor to the federal treasury on your own.

What makes you think I didn't spend decades of hard work and sacrifice to get where I am? Oh I know, I'm a girl and got hired just because I have tits. Of course!

As for me, I'm less than thrilled at the prospect of working for decades to get where I am today only to have the federal government point a gun at my head and coerce me into "spreading my wealth around" by giving it to a bureaucrat in D.C. That's going to mean far less of it going back into my actual local community, where I'd rather put it.

You make over $250,000 now? Wow!

Cheers. Nice Avatar, BTW. Probably one the the funniest things I've ever seen on youtube. She has great, uh, eyes.

I thought it was pretty funny. Too many people don't get the joke in how it pertains to aviation and my name (duh). Cheers for getting the joke. :beer:

 

[Mamma]

Wrong again!


Same thing in Iraq. The US sized control of that country and installed the corporatist agenda via Paul Bremer and the CPA. The goal was a flat tax and 100% of profits from Iraqi companies could leave the country. When out of work Iraqi men grew angry because contractors brought foreign labor the US responded by using torture to control the Iraqis. This was all for the corporate agenda.

Coalition Provisional Authority, Order 37: Tax Strategy for 2003

Paul Bremer, the head of the Coalition Provisional Authority, signed this order that instituted a 15% flat tax for individuals and corporations in Iraq.


Coalition Provisional Authority, Order 39: Foreign Investment

This destructive CPA order permitted foreign firms to own 100 percent of Iraqi assets, allowed investors to take 100 percent of the profits they made in Iraq out of the country without being taxed.
​

Get education. You've got about 13 days.

Rez,
I can't stand Paul Bremer. He was a complete failure and was one of Bush's biggest mistakes. He had ZERO experience in Middle Eastern culture and affairs. He had ZERO experience or talents in forming a post war government. The History Channel had a great documentary on how badly he screwed things up. Aside of that, I think your assumptions on the two above cases are wrong. First, the infrastructure in Iraq was in shambles and maybe a flat tax was a acceptable way to start bringing in some income for the formation of the Iraqi government. Taxes are how governments are funded. Order #39 in my opinion was a good deal for the country. The CPA was charged with bringing foreign investment into the country and providing jobs. It would have been a huge risk fo companies to invest in Iraq at the time. The best way to get that investment in was to offer the tax break on profits. People are still employed and the country moves forward. Get the companies in and get them working towards employing the largely unemployed population. Work on taxing the profits later. It seemed to me to be a good deal for Iraq. What is your problem with it?

 

[Dan Roman]

I'll take a stab at it. I don't think I'll be better because the high wage earners are the ones that create the jobs, pay the taxes and create the revenue that the rest of the system relies on. It's not a corrupt system, it's the way money works in any society with highly motivated people, mildly motivated people and unmotivated people, ie every society.

You mean like AIG or United or Enron or insert name of any number of the many U.S. corporations that have down sized and/or shipped jobs overseas in order to maximize shareholder profits at the expense of millions of American workers?

 

[777forever]

I'll take a stab at it. I don't think I'll be better because the high wage earners are the ones that create the jobs, pay the taxes and create the revenue that the rest of the system relies on. It's not a corrupt system, it's the way money works in any society with highly motivated people, mildly motivated people and unmotivated people, ie every society.

Hahaha, the rich "create jobs". That's a good one. Your reasoning is just a result of you being scammed by trickle down economics. The rich do not want to create jobs. They want to maximize profits.

If McCain takes over, he will wage war on the middle class and pretty much destroy it. There will only be rich and poor in the US. And when the economy gets to be so bad that know one can afford to spend, the rich "job creators" won't be able to create any jobs because there will be no one able to spend money on their product.

I mean, I can completely understand supporting McCain if that person was a multimillionaire and/or financially independent for life. But for middle class workers like airline pilots to support McCain, someone who has spit in the face of the profession, and vote against someone like Obama who is fighting for you and other hard working, motivated middle class americans is beyond me. People have the nerve to think Obama is fighting for unmotivated poor bums. No, Obama is fight for everyone on this board making less than 250k. Airline pay has been going down and Airline CEO pay has been going up.

But anyways it looks like most Americans have been paying attention to what happened the last four years and have come to the conclusion that we CANNOT afford 4 more years of George Bush type foolishness.

George Bush and John McCain are out of ideas, they are out of touch, and if you stand with me, in 17 days they'll be out of time-Obama.

 

[Smacktard]

Hahaha, the rich "create jobs". That's a good one. Your reasoning is just a result of you being scammed by trickle down economics. The rich do not want to create jobs. They want to maximize profits.

If McCain takes over, he will wage war on the middle class and pretty much destroy it. There will only be rich and poor in the US. And when the economy gets to be so bad that know one can afford to spend, the rich "job creators" won't be able to create any jobs because there will be no one able to spend money on their product.

I mean, I can completely understand supporting McCain if that person was a multimillionaire and/or financially independent for life. But for middle class workers like airline pilots to support McCain, someone who has spit in the face of the profession, and vote against someone like Obama who is fighting for you and other hard working, motivated middle class americans is beyond me. People have the nerve to think Obama is fighting for unmotivated poor bums. No, Obama is fight for everyone on this board making less than 250k. Airline pay has been going down and Airline CEO pay has been going up.

But anyways it looks like most Americans have been paying attention to what happened the last four years and have come to the conclusion that we CANNOT afford 4 more years of George Bush type foolishness.

George Bush and John McCain are out of ideas, they are out of touch, and if you stand with me, in 17 days they'll be out of time-Obama.

You mean the rich don't create jobs? Tell me then how the middle class guys like us do it, how many jobs have you created this week? How do the poor do it? Who employs the largest block of workers in this country? Do you know what the SPA considers small business? Look it up jack, you'll see who creates the VAST majority of jobs in this country and who is dead in the aim of your man. Stand with me? That's friggen hilarious if it wasn't so naive and pathetic. 'Stand with me', I've had my laugh for the day. Are you one of those entitlement generation guys that needs a star today?

 

[Smacktard]

You mean like AIG or United or Enron or insert name of any number of the many U.S. corporations that have down sized and/or shipped jobs overseas in order to maximize shareholder profits at the expense of millions of American workers?

Why haven't the Democrats put a stop this crisis!? They've been in the house for just as long and have the tools at their disposal (Filibuster) to stop the legislation from hurting the little guy. Where have they been? They've even had the majority in House and Senate for 2 years, I haven't heard a peep from them in that time. It must have been a top secret Cheny/Halliburton consipracy led by the dimwit Bush who outsmarted EVERY Democrat on the hill... Wake up, the politicians you so love and adore are just a liable for our present day situation. They will do more damage in the next 2 years than the Republicans could ever do. As the all-knowing all-naive 777Forever says, STAND WITH ME! WE CAN DEFEAT THIS EVIL. VOTE MCCAIN! Are you convinced?

 

[NEDude]

The big weak link in the "trickle down" theory of economics is that there is no protections that keep the trickle down in the United States. China, India and other countries have benefited greatly as a result of the trickle down from the U.S. corporations and "rich". The middle class in the U.S. has not benefited. If you have a system in place that prevents outsourcing of jobs, then trickle down may work and help the U.S. economy. But we do not have that in place and that is the problem.

 

[Smacktard]

Do you know what the SPA considers small business?

Woops, typo, I meant SBA...

 

[777forever]

Why haven't the Democrats put a stop this crisis!? They've been in the house for just as long and have the tools at their disposal (Filibuster) to stop the legislation from hurting the little guy. Where have they been? They've even had the majority in House and Senate for 2 years, I haven't heard a peep from them in that time. It must have been a top secret Cheny/Halliburton consipracy led by the dimwit Bush who outsmarted EVERY Democrat on the hill... Wake up, the politicians you so love and adore are just a liable for our present day situation. They will do more damage in the next 2 years than the Republicans could ever do. As the all-knowing all-naive 777Forever says, STAND WITH ME! WE CAN DEFEAT THIS EVIL. VOTE MCCAIN! Are you convinced?

Its over Smacktard. McCain campaign is now just in a state of desperation. Not only the majority of the US but the REST of the world has realized what direction must be taken. Its sad that you don't. I don't want to hear it when you get a bigger check in the mail though.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-me-bratton23-2008oct23,0,1840838.story
"Put simply: Bin Laden probably realizes it could become markedly more difficult to paint the United States as the 'Great Satan' with a new president who is admired internationally,"

Less than 2 weeks til common sense returns to the USA

 

[Smacktard]

Its over Smacktard. McCain campaign is now just in a state of desperation. Not only the majority of the US but the REST of the world has realized what direction must be taken. Its sad that you don't. I don't want to hear it when you get a bigger check in the mail though.


Less than 2 weeks til common sense returns to the USA

Reagan trailed Carter by 8 points in late October, do you remember what happened there? It's not over until the concession speech.

As for the rest of the world, how many electoral votes do they get? Zero. Who cares what they think.

With regard to my pay check getting bigger, do you actually think this redistribution of wealth is intended for folks making over 70K a year? No, it's intended for the unproductive, non-taxpaying individuals the democrats are so desperate to coddle. Yeah, those are the folks that make this country run</sarcasm>. I'd rather make my own than have some politicians promise me what I 'deserve'. But hey, that's my opinion. Maybe you are on to something; why work when you can have it handed to you for free. It's worked so well throughout history. Here's to the freebies!

 

[Flyprdu]

Supply-side economics do not apply in a world economy. Because the rich who would buy goods and services from the lower classes, (hence trickle-down), do not spend the majority of their dollars on American goods.

German Cars. Korean TVs. Chinese shoes. The idea that we bolster our own economy by giving the super-rich more money is complete fallacy in today's society. We have seen more wealth siphoned off the middle-class to overseas product manufacturers, while we sit around and sell Big Macs to each other.

We are eroding the majority of American wealth in the attempts to preserve it for the few.

 

[777forever]

Reagan trailed Carter by 8 points in late October, do you remember what happened there? It's not over until the concession speech.

As for the rest of the world, how many electoral votes do they get? Zero. Who cares what they think.

With regard to my pay check getting bigger, do you actually think this redistribution of wealth is intended for folks making over 70K a year? No, it's intended for the unproductive, non-taxpaying individuals the democrats are so desperate to coddle. Yeah, those are the folks that make this country run</sarcasm>. I'd rather make my own than have some politicians promise me what I 'deserve'. But hey, that's my opinion. Maybe you are on to something; why work when you can have it handed to you for free. It's worked so well throughout history. Here's to the freebies!

Look at how Obama rose to his current position. He is a prime example of the American Dream is he not? Please answer that question.

He wants to make sure every American has the same opportunity he did as long as you work hard and are motivated. College loan money should be going to top students from inner cities/rural areas that cannot afford college, not to some lame war in the middle east so the oil companies can get more money. Hard working middle class workers should be able to obtain affordable medicine, and not go into bankruptcy because they paid so much to support a drug monopoly.

You think Bush/McCain would have been were they are today if it wasn't because of their fathers? Make damn sure you're born into a rich and/or famous family. Is that the new American Dream?

 

[OurMoney1]

Trickle down works when the money stays in the country, but that isn't the case anymore.

Our GDP is collapsing and the money that once flowed to the American house holds now goes abroad. We are exporting our wealth at an alarming rate.

It is time to stimulate the base, spend on domestic projects to electrify our economy. But most important of all that I think the generations below me do not understand; we have got to improve our standing on the global stage. Powell nailed it, the Republican base does not understand the new age of thinking, it is time for a new idealogy to get this country running again.

I am 57 years old, I have never voted for a Democrat but I am about to because we are in trouble, serious trouble.

 

[Smacktard]

Look at how Obama rose to his current position. He is a prime example of the American Dream is he not? Please answer that question.

He wants to make sure every American has the same opportunity he did as long as you work hard and are motivated. College loan money should be going to top students from inner cities/rural areas that cannot afford college, not to some lame war in the middle east so the oil companies can get more money. Hard working middle class workers should be able to obtain affordable medicine, and not go into bankruptcy because they paid so much to support a drug monopoly.

You think Bush/McCain would have been were they are today if it wasn't because of their fathers? Make damn sure you're born into a rich and/or famous family. Is that the new American Dream?

I like the guy, I'll admit. He is exactly the American dream. But how did he get where he is? Thru government mandates and redistribution of wealth or thru hard work? I'll bet the later.

It's not that I don't like him, I just don't like his policies, they've been proven time and again that they don't work. I agree with a lot of your arguments, there is no reason why a country as rich and as successful as ours cannot pay for college (which is cheaper than supporting an unproductive worker all their life), have health care and offer its citizens the promise of a chance. My problem is using government to mandate and then administer it. We spend more than any other country on the planet in education per student. What's the problem? I'll tell ya, the problem is the administration of it. Wait 'till the government runs healthcare, we're thru after that.

 

[olympus593]

Smacktar is a retard!

 

[Smacktard]

It is time to stimulate the base, spend on domestic projects to electrify our economy. But most important of all that I think the generations below me do not understand; we have got to improve our standing on the global stage. Powell nailed it, the Republican base does not understand the new age of thinking, it is time for a new idealogy to get this country running again.

I am 57 years old, I have never voted for a Democrat but I am about to because we are in trouble, serious trouble.

We just tried stimulating the economy back in the spring, remember those checks? Look how well they worked! Giving a few thousand here and there to the lower and middle class off the backs of those that are already supporting the system will not improve our economy or our standing on the world stage, whatever that means.

As for the new ideology, that's code for same old sh!t, different party. That's all the Democrats are offering. The same tired class warfare rhetoric. The same garbage they were going to eliminate 75 years ago (New Deal) and billions of dollars later, ie poverty. The rest of the world is going to LOVE us in about 10 years, we'll be just as unproductive and mired in the social spending that they are, but hey, we'll be liked! That'll be great for my kids.

 

[Smacktard]

Smacktar is a retard!

Hey that's always a good comeback. Who is Smacktar though?

 

[777forever]

I like the guy, I'll admit. He is exactly the American dream. But how did he get where he is? Thru government mandates and redistribution of wealth or thru hard work? I'll bet the later.

It's not that I don't like him, I just don't like his policies, they've been proven time and again that they don't work. I agree with a lot of your arguments, there is no reason why a country as rich and as successful as ours cannot pay for college (which is cheaper than supporting an unproductive worker all their life), have health care and offer its citizens the promise of a chance. My problem is using government to mandate and then administer it. We spend more than any other country on the planet in education per student. What's the problem? I'll tell ya, the problem is the administration of it. Wait 'till the government runs healthcare, we're thru after that.

I completely agree that money has been going towards supporting the unproductive workers. Money is not only going into welfare programs to people that don't don't deserve it, but money hard earned off the backs of american workers are going to the most unproductive CEOs in the world. Leo Mullins anyone? Glenn Tilton?

Obama's tax plan is not wealth redistribution. Its simply a restoration of taxes back to the Clinton years.

As far a administration of gov't programs, Obama will bring something to Washington that hasn't been seen for years, ethics.

 

[Smarta$$]

I'll take a stab at it. I don't think I'll be better because the high wage earners are the ones that create the jobs, pay the taxes and create the revenue that the rest of the system relies on. It's not a corrupt system, it's the way money works in any society with highly motivated people, mildly motivated people and unmotivated people, ie every society.

To say that raising taxes will make people less motived is rediculous. Every pilot that ever made captain has done so knowing they would increase their pay AND their tax rate. I have been in the crew room alot, heard alot of excuses to put off upgrade, but tax increases was never one of them.

Some wealthy people may create jobs, but their has never been any assurance that they would create GOOD jobs. In fact, wealthy people run the companies that have offshored many of our GOOD jobs.

You are still pushing that tired old trickle down econ. It does not work. Falling US middle class wages during many boom years demonstrates that if you give the power and tax cuts to the rich, they hoard all the wealth. It has clearly shown that a "rising tide raises only very large boats". The rest just take on water.

Now to refocus on the middle class directly, encourage policies and tax cuts that leave more money in the pockets of middle class people, those families will have more money to buy products from American companies. This will be good for job growth and shareholders. And money will trickle up.

And those that are inclined to start or run a buisiness will do exactly what we do when we consider upgrade and a pay raise, they will do it anyway.

We allready have a progressive tax system, this is nothing new.

 

[777forever]

To say that raising taxes will make people less motived is rediculous. Every pilot that ever made captain has done so knowing they would increase their pay AND their tax rate. I have been in the crew room alot, heard alot of excuses to put of upgrade, but tax increases was never one of them.

Some wealthy people may create jobs, but their has never been any assurance that they would create GOOD jobs. In fact, wealthy people run the companies that have offshored many of our GOOD jobs.

You are still pushing that tired old trickle down econ. It does not work. Falling us middle class wages during many boom years demonstrates that if you give the power and tax cuts to the rich, they hoard all the wealth. It has clearly shown that a "rising tide raises only very large boats". The rest just take on water.

Now to refocus on the middle class directly, encourage policies and tax cuts that leave more money in the pockets of middle class people, those families will have more money to buy products from American companies. This will be good for job growth and shareholders. And money will trickle up.

And those that are inclined to start or run a buisiness will do exactly what we do when we consider upgrade and a pay raise, they will do it anyway.

We allready have a progressive tax system, this is nothing new.

Oh man I couldn't have said it better myself. Hoard is the key word hear folks. We should know that word well. We've been seeing it right before our eyes the last 8 years...

 

[Smarta$$]

Obama wants to make sure that most Americans have health care coverage from private insurance companies. That is NOT socialized medicine, and it does NOT fundamentally change our current system and YOU ALL KNOW IT.

 

[777forever]

Obama said it very eloquently,

He's has no problem with Joe the Plumber. He's just trying to give him a tax cut!

McCain isn't fighting for Joe the Plumber. He's fighting for Joe the Hedge Fund manager, Joe the CEO...

Obama's going to give me a tax cut. I will gladly take it with a smile.

Will will then go spend it. Food from Walmart, put gas in my car, go to the movies, buy some new toys from Best Buy. You see, the big corporations will get their money anyway.

 

[hammer2]

The high wage earners are individuals like you and I that start small businesses.... That is the who arguement....

Reginonal pilots work for corporations who function as vendors to megaglobal corporations.... regional pilots have nothing to do with what McCain and Obama are debating WRT Joe the Plumber....

Less than two weeks to go.......

I get your anger. You are a broke regional pilot who pays very little in taxes. You expect the Government to make your life better at the expense of someone who actual tried to better his/ her self the old fashion way, hard work.
Rez enjoy your welfare life, Obama's won.

 

[777forever]

I get your anger. You are a broke regional pilot who pays very little in taxes. You expect the Government to make your life better at the expense of someone who actual tried to better his/ her self the old fashion way, hard work.
Rez enjoy your welfare life, Obama's won.

Even regional pilots are not considered broke in relation to the real world, except maybe the first year hehe. A regional pilot job is an average middle class job. Although it is glorified job.

 

[Mamma]

Obama won?!?!?!??! I did not know that!

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Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008
McCain has cut into Obama's lead for a second day and is now just 1.1 points behind. The spread was 3.7 Wednesday and 6.0 Tuesday. The Republican is making headway with middle- and working- class voters, and has surged 10 points in two days among those earning between $30,000 and $75,000. He has also gone from an 11-point deficit to a 9-point lead among Catholics.
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