Toughest US Approach?

[Lrjtcaptain]

These are the two I don't much care for really

1.)ILS or Vis 28L SFO circle to rwy1R, the terrain South of SFO sucks, so you gots to keep it in tight.!!!

2.)After 3 days of small 4000 X 100 ft runways, refuling at night in Salina KS and landing on 17 or 35 and forgetting youve got like 13000X300, needless to say everytime I did it which was alot was flare high and slam her on down, that runway is too much concrete!

 

[81Horse]

KSAN LOC 27 has an interesting visual as you fly by the downtown buildings and buzz the parking garage under short final...how did they ever get permission to build that thing there?

It's good sport to stand on the top level of that parking garage, too.

 

[sky37d]

It's good sport to stand on the top level of that parking garage, too.

Oh, cool, that would be something to try. My aunt once worked for an attorney up on the mesa, and we could see the planes coming in, below her window.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

My personal high-score is three seperate RAs on a Sunday afternoon departure from BUR.

Tied your score, I've had 3 RAs also going into HPN (White Plains)

 

[mar]

Mode C w/in 30nm of Class B

I have this lingering fear that the next big revision to US airspace regs is going to be caused by a GA / 121 midair in SOCAL. My personal high-score is three seperate RAs on a Sunday afternoon departure from BUR. It is an f-ing zoo out there...

If I remember correctly, there was a mid-air between a Piper enroute from Torrance to Big Bear and an AeroMexico jet (over Cerritos) in the late '80s.

Because of that accident all aircraft within 30nm of Class B must have altitude reporting.

And in fact, the old Terminal Control Areas (TCA-predecessor to Class B) were instituted because of a mid-air between a C172 and a PSA jet over San Diego.

So yeah, another mid-air, another reg...

Fly safe.

 

[sky37d]

it is sad, but true, that a lot of the rules in aviation are first made in blood, then in ink.

 

[sstearns2]

For a while they were landing us turboprops on taxiway C parallel to 28R in SFO, 28R was closed. They called in Rwy 29. If you didn't slow down quick and crossed 1R with any speed it was like a bleeding ski jump.

 

[Swass]

In Wichita there is a small airport to the east of ICT called Westport (71K) that is pretty cool. I wouldn't say it is the hardest but you come in on top of some manufacturing buildings and a 60 ft antenna, clear the power lines and put it down. The runway is 2500ft with a drainage ditch on your left (east), there is also a pond and trees at the south end. When I was a student we would always go there and land right next to the ditch in the grass, bumpy mother.....

 

[Diesel]

ASE, EGE, & JAC

At least EGE has a way out.

ASE you're just trucking down a valley. Kind of retarted

MVY & ACK because they allways lie on the ATIS. VIS 1/2mile my ass

JFK because taxing can take as long as the flight.

PWK because you have to circle within the airport or end up in ORD's lap

Any airport where the controllers think you are a commuter that has been there a 1000 times and get pissed when you don't do something that everyone based out of there does. Huh where is that written.

The list goes on and on

 

[TR4A]

There's a good high altitude approach at Roswell New mexico. I think we nicknamed it the spider web. High descent rates, good banking, lots of remain in gotchas.

It's the High-ILS (TACAN penetration) Nicknamed the "Widow Maker."

 

[Fury220]

You mean this one?

http://www.myairplane.com/databases/approach/pdfs/00354HI21.PDF

IAF is JENOM now, used to be ABUCK iirc. Was often on the checkride for the REE pilots.

This approach, while challenging, really isn't too bad.

You just have to realize the "gotchas" on the plate: You're riding a DME arc to intercept the localizer, but, as you intercept the localizer, you have to tune the localizer DME. If you don't look closely at the plate, you'll forget that your 16 DME arc is only 10 DME or so from the runway threshold. If you thought you had plenty of time to slow/configure...you thought wrong.

As with any high altitude penetration, as long as you have 30 seconds prior to starting to compute the descent rates you'll need, it's a piece of cake.


I've flown the approach a couple times and here's the sad thing: it's probably the most interesting thing about Roswell, NM.

In the FBO there, you can buy T-Shirts that say "I Survived the Widowmaker" IIRC.

 

[Fury220]

This one at KLBB is pretty interesting:

http://www.myairplane.com/databases/approach/pdfs/00241HVDTA.PDF

You've got all this to contend with if you start at JAZDE:
1. If you're TACAN-only, you won't get course guidance on the outbound leg (235 radial) until about a mile prior to starting your turn to intercept the arc.
2. The 10DME arc is over before you can bat an eye, and the course intercept inbound is a pain.
3. The FAF is the VORTAC, and then the final approach course involves a turn.
4. It's a circling approach that no-kidding spits you out right on top of the field.

I've never had a student do it correctly on the first attempt. We usually end up on the arc with about 10 degrees nose low attitude with the boards out at 300KIAS, then configuration happens late as we cross the FAF.

 

[gkrangers]

Throw in the Circle to the perpindicular runway and you've got fun on a platter. FSI used to give us that one, single engine, night, reduced vis in the Shorts sim...

Eric

The lights on the ground are like a frikkin yellow brick road, what are you complaining about? jk

 

[AK737FO]

The Great State

Juneau, Petersburg, Wrangell, Sitka, Red Dog, Kodiak and Adak are usually fun when done round dial.
The old NDB-A to Cordova use to be my favorite, but it's gone now.

 

[81Horse]

Dutch Harbor was always good sport, too. Especially in a 737.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

MVY & ACK because they allways lie on the ATIS. VIS 1/2mile my ass

Hah! Roger that!!!!

 

[A Squared]

Indian Mountain NDB. When the approach plate reads:

Missed approach improbable due to rising terrain.


You know you have to be on your best game

The approach at Indian Mountain isn't particularly tough It's a butt-simple NDB approach, just like thousands of others.

That is not what the plate says. It actually says: sucessful go-around improbable if initiated past MAP. That's a very different story than "missed approach improbable" the missed approach gives you the same protection that any other missed approach designed in accordance with the TERPS gives you.

 

[FreightPup]

The toughest one is backing the boat trailer into my driveway!

 

[BizPilot]

Jackson's Hole

"Jackson's Hole", Wyoming

http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0604/00504VD19.PDF

Or, Leadville, Colorado
(Highest Airport 9927ft)

http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0604/09146G16.PDF

What does "VGSI and descent angles not coincident" mean??

BETTER HAVE O2 for Both!!

 

[wt219200]

What does "VGSI and descent angles not coincident" mean??

It means dont watch the VASI

If you can see it