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Brother Francis
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Things have not changed that much. Yeah, the union helps some but back in 1989 starting pay for right seat in a Jetstream 31 was 17.10 /hour. Captain pay was 31.25 at the second year pay scale. It also took 18 months to upgrade. Here it is 2002 and left seat in the Brasilia pays 44.37/ hour. The net effective pay for flying the Jetstream was better than the rate on the Brasilia at 10 years later. Go figure.
For those of you waiting for the 'job at the major' - It will be a wait. Better off to get somewhere you like cause it may be a while!
"Livin the dream"
For those of you waiting for the 'job at the major' - It will be a wait. Better off to get somewhere you like cause it may be a while!
"Livin the dream"
Dignan
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Yeah, flying is the best "work" there is (IMHO, at least), but not working always beats working. I love flying as much as the next guy (unless, of course, the next guy hates flying) and I know how when you're building time it seems like the most important thing, but now I always enjoy days off more. In the long run (again IMHO), if someone likes work more than time off, they might want to get a life. Otherwise, they'll end up on aviation message boards listing what they have in their flight bags...(sorry guys, but I had to say it.) Take care.
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DEP676,
One of your many ridiculous comments was that you seemed to think that sitting reserve for 6 months is something that you(with all your experience, HA!) shouldn't have to do.
GET REAL! Do you honestly believe that 6 months of reserve is a long time?
So many pilots out there think that the last 5 years is the way that the industry always is. Well it's not. The last 5 years were an abberation, not the norm.
Too many pilots think that if you sit 6 months reserve then some how you deserve to be a line holder. For guys of my generation-hired at regionals in the early 90's, 3 years of reserve was not uncommon. It took me 5 years to get my first upgrade.
I'm not complaining. Even though I am currently on furlough, I would do it all again if given the chance.
My point is that you can make a choice, bite the bullet and get on with a regional OR continue to fly as the butt of real pilot's jokes.
In your current position do you really think you are in the same class with a regional pilot?
I don't care how much you make flying a Conquest-IT'S STILL A CONQUEST.
Get the point?
One of your many ridiculous comments was that you seemed to think that sitting reserve for 6 months is something that you(with all your experience, HA!) shouldn't have to do.
GET REAL! Do you honestly believe that 6 months of reserve is a long time?
So many pilots out there think that the last 5 years is the way that the industry always is. Well it's not. The last 5 years were an abberation, not the norm.
Too many pilots think that if you sit 6 months reserve then some how you deserve to be a line holder. For guys of my generation-hired at regionals in the early 90's, 3 years of reserve was not uncommon. It took me 5 years to get my first upgrade.
I'm not complaining. Even though I am currently on furlough, I would do it all again if given the chance.
My point is that you can make a choice, bite the bullet and get on with a regional OR continue to fly as the butt of real pilot's jokes.
In your current position do you really think you are in the same class with a regional pilot?
I don't care how much you make flying a Conquest-IT'S STILL A CONQUEST.
Get the point?
Better airplane does not mean a better job. I fly a Cessna 310 for a check hauling company. During training, we were put up in a $1200 2 bedroom/2 bath apartment, fully furnished, for 2 people, for free. Our starting pay is about $6000 more a year than 95% of the regionals. I work Monday thru Thursday. I'm home EVERY NIGHT, and I have holidays off. Even Columbus Day and Veterans Day. I fly from ORL to ATL and back, 4 times a week. We have never furloughed a pilot in the almost 30 years we've been a company, and we have have no reserves. You go through class, and you're awarded a base and you start flying. Our company pays for you to move; U-Haul, food, hotel, gas, tolls, everything. And they pay for you to move when you uprgade also. So what if I fly a 310 by myself at night IFR? It's better experience than pushing buttons at 35,000 feet. And while I can't speak of the maintenance at other places, ours is second to none. If something's broke, it gets fixed. If it's not flyable, I don't fly. I've never felt pressured to fly a broke airplane and I won't. There are so many alternatives to get to a major than being a slave to the regionals for 5,6, or even 10 years.
Open your eyes; look around sometime.
Open your eyes; look around sometime.
English
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I agree with troll.
I think most people would consider the Saab 340 to be a "better" airplane than the Citationjet merely because of its size and the fact that it is a transport category aircraft. But, the Saab job is no better than the Citationjet job.
In line with what troll mentioned, here are some variables to consider....
My current employer (a job flying a CJ), paid $4000 to move me from the midwest to the west coast, including shipping my car out and airfare for me. The airlines gave me three move days (one paid, two unpaid if I remember correctly) and no assistance in moving.
My current employer issued me a credit card and set me up in a Hyatt during training. All expenses were charged on the company credit card. The first airline gave me per diem to live off of and a stay at the luxurious Knight's Inn in Arlington. The second airline paid me $250 a week during training but with a stay at a nicer hotel.
My current employer issued me a cell phone with 4500 minutes per month. I can use it as my personal phone as well. Not because I'm on call, because I'm not, but because they want me to be able to call in after every leg. At the airlines, I paid for my own cell phone so I'd have caller id when crew scheduling called.
My current employer compensation package includes a 401K with a 100% match up to 5% of the annual salary, 100% tuition reimbursement, very good medical/dental/vision plans, and so on. The salary is above the NBAA guide recommendations. The airlines, at least the regionals, could not compare. I can afford to buy a new house in the Los Angeles area on my own salary. I couldn't do that as a regional FO or captain.
The relationship with my chief pilot and employer is great. At the airlines, there was continual strife, an "us versus them" attitude. Of course, maybe it's not that way at a place like Alaska, Southwest or jetBlue, but at many of the regionals, it sure is.
The schedule at my current job has me home almost every night. The schedules I had at the regionals had me packing a suitcase for four to five days at a time.
I'm not trying to rub it in, although I love my job and I feel fortunate to have found this after being furloughed. My point is that many of us who went to the regionals have always assumed that route was the best and/or only route to go to become a professional pilot. We equated bigger with better. I think now that we have forums such as this, we can all find out what's really going on in different areas of aviation. For people that do equate bigger with better, my job would be lousy. But for those who believe in being appreciated and in living a life balanced between work and a personal life, this is the best!
I think most people would consider the Saab 340 to be a "better" airplane than the Citationjet merely because of its size and the fact that it is a transport category aircraft. But, the Saab job is no better than the Citationjet job.
In line with what troll mentioned, here are some variables to consider....
My current employer (a job flying a CJ), paid $4000 to move me from the midwest to the west coast, including shipping my car out and airfare for me. The airlines gave me three move days (one paid, two unpaid if I remember correctly) and no assistance in moving.
My current employer issued me a credit card and set me up in a Hyatt during training. All expenses were charged on the company credit card. The first airline gave me per diem to live off of and a stay at the luxurious Knight's Inn in Arlington. The second airline paid me $250 a week during training but with a stay at a nicer hotel.
My current employer issued me a cell phone with 4500 minutes per month. I can use it as my personal phone as well. Not because I'm on call, because I'm not, but because they want me to be able to call in after every leg. At the airlines, I paid for my own cell phone so I'd have caller id when crew scheduling called.
My current employer compensation package includes a 401K with a 100% match up to 5% of the annual salary, 100% tuition reimbursement, very good medical/dental/vision plans, and so on. The salary is above the NBAA guide recommendations. The airlines, at least the regionals, could not compare. I can afford to buy a new house in the Los Angeles area on my own salary. I couldn't do that as a regional FO or captain.
The relationship with my chief pilot and employer is great. At the airlines, there was continual strife, an "us versus them" attitude. Of course, maybe it's not that way at a place like Alaska, Southwest or jetBlue, but at many of the regionals, it sure is.
The schedule at my current job has me home almost every night. The schedules I had at the regionals had me packing a suitcase for four to five days at a time.
I'm not trying to rub it in, although I love my job and I feel fortunate to have found this after being furloughed. My point is that many of us who went to the regionals have always assumed that route was the best and/or only route to go to become a professional pilot. We equated bigger with better. I think now that we have forums such as this, we can all find out what's really going on in different areas of aviation. For people that do equate bigger with better, my job would be lousy. But for those who believe in being appreciated and in living a life balanced between work and a personal life, this is the best!
Pilot877
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Troll, you dont have to be jealous....someday you might get to be an airline pilot too. I have to say that I gave up flying live people in 402's to be a "button pusher at 35,000 feet" and I wouldnt trade the RJ for a stinking old twin Cessna, ever. As far as salary goes, you have to look a little farther down the road than just first year. But, hey, to each his own.....if you love flying 310's and it makes you happy, go for it. Oh yeah, as far as being a "slave" goes, at least I will never again have to load luggage and cargo on the aircraft and not get paid for it. I tell you what, you dont even know what you are talking about.
Top 5 Regionals:
ACA/AirWisconsin/SkyWest/ASA/Comair
God Bless America
Fly BlueRidge
Top 5 Regionals:
ACA/AirWisconsin/SkyWest/ASA/Comair
God Bless America
Fly BlueRidge
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Dep676
Don't let the hourly rates mislead you, last year I made over 37k as an rj fo working 3-4 days a week, and that while only making $19 an hour the first three months of the year. This year I'll be well over $40k working 3-4 nights a week at $35 hr. Next year, I'll be an rj cp with under 36 months with the company making approx $55-$65k a year depending on how much they fly me on reserve and when I can hold a line. Two years from now I'd bet I'll easily be over $70k. Five years from now I'll have thousands of hours of Pt. 121 PIC jet time. (hopefully hiring will pick up by then)
What is the going rate for a King Air captain? 40K? How much time does one spend sitting around the FBO? cleaning airplanes? being on call? If/when hiring at the majors resumes will you have the time they are looking for? How many guaranteed days of per month? I turned down a 135 Charter job that would have paid double what I made my first year at here. Only 4 days off a month, I usually have 12-15 here.
By the way, I havn't been drinking the koolaid. There are many things that could stand improvement at the regional airlines. I voted against our last pay package because it didn't raise first year pay (I was already in my second year). I think regional fo pay should be at least $25 an hour, $30 for someone starting in an RJ, if not more. But until that happens you have to start somewhere. Pay raises for first year pilots will only come about by the pilots themselves pushing for it. From my viewpoint, that wasn't the priority during our last negoitiations.
Don't let the hourly rates mislead you, last year I made over 37k as an rj fo working 3-4 days a week, and that while only making $19 an hour the first three months of the year. This year I'll be well over $40k working 3-4 nights a week at $35 hr. Next year, I'll be an rj cp with under 36 months with the company making approx $55-$65k a year depending on how much they fly me on reserve and when I can hold a line. Two years from now I'd bet I'll easily be over $70k. Five years from now I'll have thousands of hours of Pt. 121 PIC jet time. (hopefully hiring will pick up by then)
What is the going rate for a King Air captain? 40K? How much time does one spend sitting around the FBO? cleaning airplanes? being on call? If/when hiring at the majors resumes will you have the time they are looking for? How many guaranteed days of per month? I turned down a 135 Charter job that would have paid double what I made my first year at here. Only 4 days off a month, I usually have 12-15 here.
By the way, I havn't been drinking the koolaid. There are many things that could stand improvement at the regional airlines. I voted against our last pay package because it didn't raise first year pay (I was already in my second year). I think regional fo pay should be at least $25 an hour, $30 for someone starting in an RJ, if not more. But until that happens you have to start somewhere. Pay raises for first year pilots will only come about by the pilots themselves pushing for it. From my viewpoint, that wasn't the priority during our last negoitiations.
I don't fly people and therefore don't load their luggage without getting paid. I fly freight. It doesn't talk back, take craps on galley carts or try to hide bombs in its shoes. I don't want to fly a 310 forever, but as a first year regional pilot, how many weekends and holidays do you get off? I haven't worked on a weekend or holiday since I started my job. How many days are you home a month? I'm home, in my bed, every night. Yes, someday I do want to fly a 74,75,76,777 or whatever, but for now, quality of life is more important. And i am looking farther down the road than just first year. We have 40 Lear's. With starting pay at $40-50K all the way up to close to $100K.
And to whoever said 121 time is God and 135 PIC time in a C310 sucks, i'd much rather be logging that than 75 hours a month of gear actuator time. And checking my caller ID to see if it's scheduling? Come on. Is that anyway to live?
And to whoever said 121 time is God and 135 PIC time in a C310 sucks, i'd much rather be logging that than 75 hours a month of gear actuator time. And checking my caller ID to see if it's scheduling? Come on. Is that anyway to live?
Pilot877 said:
Troll
You really don't have a clue do you?
Missing holidays and birthdays is part of the price we pay to have the best job in the world!
No job is perfect but if you would rather fly in the crap at 6000' while I get served ice cream at 40,000'-go for it dude!
It must be real exciting flying between MCO and ATL 4 times a week. Not to mention all the valuable experience you are getting flying into only 2 airports!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You really don't have a clue do you?
Missing holidays and birthdays is part of the price we pay to have the best job in the world!
No job is perfect but if you would rather fly in the crap at 6000' while I get served ice cream at 40,000'-go for it dude!
It must be real exciting flying between MCO and ATL 4 times a week. Not to mention all the valuable experience you are getting flying into only 2 airports!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
328dude
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Troll:
You know, I was in your shoes once too. I flew checks at night except i was doing it in a MU-2 in the SW and Rockies. Pay was excellent but i asked myself just what you said. I don't want to fly this thing forever. So i swallowed everything I had, got hired by a regional and have not looked back. True, 135 is different and has it's advantages, but it also has its disadvantages if your not planning on staying there forever like you seem to be thinking.
First year is rough no matter what regional you go to. Quality of life becomes better as your senority grows. (except eagle, Strictly word of mouth).
You might look at the horizan alot, but look at the ground once in awhile.
You know, I was in your shoes once too. I flew checks at night except i was doing it in a MU-2 in the SW and Rockies. Pay was excellent but i asked myself just what you said. I don't want to fly this thing forever. So i swallowed everything I had, got hired by a regional and have not looked back. True, 135 is different and has it's advantages, but it also has its disadvantages if your not planning on staying there forever like you seem to be thinking.
First year is rough no matter what regional you go to. Quality of life becomes better as your senority grows. (except eagle, Strictly word of mouth).
You might look at the horizan alot, but look at the ground once in awhile.
atpcliff
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Hi!
EA1 is now called Pinnacle-NW Airlink. They're based in DTW, MSP and MEM. They fly mostly (all) new CRJs. The pilots I've talked to like it, but they all mention very low pay.
They are 100% owned by NWA, and they will fly you into training, then:
No Pay
No Housing
No Perdiem
No Jumpseating allowed until completed training.
Their new CRJs are awesome!
They used to have quick upgrade to captain, but I don't believe they do now.
Cliff
GRB
EA1 is now called Pinnacle-NW Airlink. They're based in DTW, MSP and MEM. They fly mostly (all) new CRJs. The pilots I've talked to like it, but they all mention very low pay.
They are 100% owned by NWA, and they will fly you into training, then:
No Pay
No Housing
No Perdiem
No Jumpseating allowed until completed training.
Their new CRJs are awesome!
They used to have quick upgrade to captain, but I don't believe they do now.
Cliff
GRB
mckpickle
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WEll I havent seen anyone post this yet so I guess I'll be the "paying your dues guy". And thats what its all about. I've been at coex 6 years. I get any day off I want, I control my life. I dont get scared if I awnser the phone and its sced. I did take a pay cut for the first 2 years I was hired and that was from flight instructing. If I never made the move or moved to 135, how would my life be now? I am pretty sure I wouldnt be making 65K a year with15 days off a month.
Pilot877
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Re: Troll
I love my job, staying overnight in different places doesnt bother me, and a pilot who doesnt work weekends and holidays is a rare exception. I havent had a weekend off since I began flying for a living so I really dont miss it now.
Nobody has tried to crap in my shoes or but bombs in the galley carts (or was that the other way around, haha...) If you think all a First Officer does is sling gear, you dont really know that airline pilots trade off flying legs, and the pilot not flying takes care of the gear, flaps, etc.... I found one really great use for my 135 time, and that was for getting myself into a 121 job. When the good folks at crew scheduling call me up, I am always happy to fly because this is the best job in the world!
I love my job, staying overnight in different places doesnt bother me, and a pilot who doesnt work weekends and holidays is a rare exception. I havent had a weekend off since I began flying for a living so I really dont miss it now.
Nobody has tried to crap in my shoes or but bombs in the galley carts (or was that the other way around, haha...) If you think all a First Officer does is sling gear, you dont really know that airline pilots trade off flying legs, and the pilot not flying takes care of the gear, flaps, etc.... I found one really great use for my 135 time, and that was for getting myself into a 121 job. When the good folks at crew scheduling call me up, I am always happy to fly because this is the best job in the world!
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