To Scab Or Not To Scab

[Clownpilot]

Scabs

It's actually pretty simple.

Scabs always find a way to justify what they're doing.

People have a tendency to do that.

There are other jobs outside of aviation that will put food on the table. It can be done without taking another pilot's job.

I was involved in the hiring process before they shut it down and I will be involved again when things turn around. We never called a pilot for an interview that was a scab. When things start up again we won't call any, and if by some miracle or mistake we do, they won't get any further than the interview.

In other words, if you take a scab job it better be one you want to keep permanently cuz you're staying there.

 

[DougCorp-9]

You all need to be a little more cautious with how you use the word SCAB. A SCAB is someone who crosses the picket line of his trade union or one that his union is honoring. PERIOD. If you don't like the way a management is running another company then don't work for them. But DO NOT call someone who decides to a SCAB. I am not intimately familiar with what is going on at freedom air but I understand the jist of it. Management is simply doing what they do. It is apperently allowed under the agreement they have with the Mesa pilot group. They have the opportunity to change this and I am sure they will try to. Until then all of you who like to use the word SCAB so loosely need to think about it a little harder.

 

[climbhappy]

the crux of the matter

the problem as I see it is too many share an uninformed view which makes this knee jerk reaction to pilots taking non union jobs. I'm not anti-union, just anti-bullcrap. Due to a lack of words and substance to discussion, they banter on about the saving of jobs when in actuality, the problem is far too big for them to undertand; and they don't don't realize this economic downturn we're in and its far reaching effects... it's funny how when an NFL coach is under fire, its usually because he isn't winning games. win some games and the bullhockey stops flying.

bring some jobs to the people and they'll start flying and your wages will go up. As for continually bashing management for everything. Fine. you got two choices take it or leave it.

Johnny paycheck said it best! take this job and shove it. In my view, if you come on here and philosophy like Nimrod with his r-e-s-p-e-c-t post then offer some solutions and quit this frickin whining.

example: how much pay is satisfactory and what do you base those cost on?

if your pay is satisfactory , is there anyhting else you want to complain about.

Would you rather be be doing something else?

 

[flyn96]

It is true that most senior dudes don't give a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** about us new guys or the future of the industry, they just want to squeeze the last few bucks out of the system before they retire. You really think they are going to vote in favor of anything that improves the future of our industry espicially one that might take money out of their 5th wife or boat fund, hah, yea right! They don't dive a crap and most of don't even know who their regional carriers are were they fly or if they are even alpa or not. The only thing they care about is if its going to be sunny for their tee time on saturday.


They've paid their dues so they just want money and thats it!

 

[35to1]

To those of you idiots who throw the term "Scab" around on a daily basis, you do nothing more than undermine what it actually is!

A Scab is a person who has crossed a PICKET LINE.
A Scab is listed by the Union.

Inform these guys that they are making a dumb move, don't call them scabs...

Hyperboy, Blade.... you guys have the combined brainpower of a doorknob, you won't last long in this industry!
Dumbasses.....

 

[35to1]

You seem to be a very articulate person.

You have a battle star that I helped you earn when I gave ALPA money to help YOU while you were on strike!
Lucky for you, the thought of scabing was far off when you had ALPA asking the rest of us for money.

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[bladeusa]

no actually .. if the thought of u scabbing was far off .. LUCKY FOR YOU..

 

[trainerjet]

Yep...you are one bad a$$!!

 

[Boeingman]

35 you summed that up perfectly. Although I would guess you're wasting your time with that "doorknob".

P.S. Blade, if you want an extra battle star, I'd be happy to sell you mine.

 

[35to1]

You're missing the point....

Death Threats??????????

You hide behind a veil and make these utterly absurd comments about hanging people?

Is that what you would do?

 

[35to1]

Thanks Boeing!
I do wander what Comair would say if they knew one of their Captains was making death threats on a public forum?

BTW Blade, before you even assume......I am a dues paying, non scabbing union member.

Glad to help........

 

[bladeusa]

35 you summed that up perfectly. Although I would guess you're wasting your time with that "doorknob".

P.S. Blade, if you want an extra battle star, I'd be happy to sell you mine.

no thanks.. as u said earlier..Another word for scab is opportunist in my book... its not in mine..

 

[35to1]

Seriously Blade, is that what you would do?
Or are you going to say it was a figure of speech?

 

[Rook]

Well as a regional pilot and a member of ALPA I can say that unfortunately (as we all know) we will never be fairly represented when it comes to relations with mainline. But I'm also a realist and I know that we at the regional exist to feed mainline. Am I sorry that our mainline brothers and sisters are getting furloughed while our companies continue to get jets and hire? Yes. Am I a supporter of a one-list...well I'm still not sure. But I do know this, ALPA exists at our regional level so we wont be shafted by our own management. I've been a victim of a strike and 2 furloughs. ALPA was kind to me when I was on the street. I also have read "Flying the Line" and I will always support the union. Those of you that are thinking of scabbing even if it means putting food on your childrens plates will be sorry in the long run. I know i'm stepping on a soapbox (a very low-paid regional soapbox at that)but we can't forget what the pilots of years ago and even in the second half of the 20th century have done to make this career (and union) what it is today. Do I want to stay at the regional level? Well that depends. Will I be able to make a decent career and be able to support myself and my eventual family? Then I can be happy flying for a regional. I have dreams of wearing Brown one day but that doesnt mean that I wont stop trying to make my company better for those that will be coming up after me. And I also know that even though, I'm paid p-nuts, I'm still **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** lucky to be where I am.

I'm not that familiar with what's going on at Mesa with the Freedom air situation, but I do hope that it's not going to be an airline flown by scabs. We will never peacefully co-exist with the mainline but I do wish that there would be more combined MEC/LEC meetings with the mainline and their regional counterparts just so that we can both see 'both sides of the fence' and try to make relations better. DON'T SCAB!

Rook
600' AGL Autopilot on.
'WHEW!'
(Putting on my flame-retardant suit)
p.s. someone explain the Mesa/Freedom thing in terms that a Texas boy can understand.

 

[boeingav8r]

Re: Scabs

It's actually pretty simple.

Scabs always find a way to justify what they're doing.
People have a tendency to do that.
There are other jobs outside of aviation that will put food on the table. It can be done without taking another pilot's job.
I was involved in the hiring process before they shut it down and I will be involved again when things turn around. We never called a pilot for an interview that was a scab. When things start up again we won't call any, and if by some miracle or mistake we do, they won't get any further than the interview.
In other words, if you take a scab job it better be one you want to keep permanently cuz you're staying there.

I couldn't have said that better myself.
Sure, it's tough out there right now. Many of us have children, mortgages, car payments, etc... Who dosen't? There are other jobs (non-aviation related) out there to be had. If you loose your house and automobiles because your unemployment money ran out and you can't pay the bills, that's your own fault for letting it get that far. I have a family myself and lots of bills. I'm charging a $hitload onto my credit card and am working an "hourly job" to pay the bills, but you know what? I will NEVER scab to get a short term job with a company to pay the bills. Freedom undercuts airlines, and will be able to operate for the meantime, but will probably not be around for the long haul. But, if you scab, that will follow you around forever. I'm no fortune teller, but this industry WILL turn around, and like somebody else said, the interview boards are made up of regular joe line pilots and if you are a scab, you will not get an interview at a reputable company. I understand what everyone's saying about how frustrating it is if you're not flying...Heck, I'm not flying right now and it's killing me!!! However, when the airlines start hiring again, I will know in my heart that I will be considered wayyyyyyyy above the scabs. Maybe I should be encouraging people to be scabs so when it's hiring time again, I can be that much ahead. If you work for one of those aformentioned companies, cross a picket line, or scab in any way, you are shooting yourself in the foot.
P.s. In response to the comment on the next reply...There are other instances that will brand you a scab other than crossing the picket line.