To My Friend G4Dude

[pilotyip]

Harsh....but funny! lol

Yea its harsh, but you have to consider the source, which makes it much less meaningful. It is amazing how a kid at 23 years old gets hired at NJ 15 years ago through the elements of luck and timing is so quick to pass judgments on someone else's career. Taking a job that I turned down because I could not take the pay cut to go to work for NJ in the 90's. A time when at the Job Fairs the lines at the NJ table were about as long as the line at USA Jet. A time when NJ heard we were furloughing and sent a team up to Willow Run to hire of a dozen of our pilots. It was a time if you meet the minimums and applied you most likely got hired. I don't need him or anyone else to judge my career, it is bad manners, and I will let my wife, kids, friends and shipmates judge my career thank you.

 

[Diesel]

Yea its harsh, but you have to consider the source, which makes it much less meaningful. It is amazing how a kid at 23 years old gets hired at NJ 15 years ago through the elements of luck and timing is so quick to pass judgments on someone else's career. Taking a job that I turned down because I could not take the pay cut to go to work for NJ in the 90's. A time when at the Job Fairs the lines at the NJ table were about as long as the line at USA Jet. A time when NJ heard we were furloughing and sent a team up to Willow Run to hire of a dozen of our pilots. It was a time if you meet the minimums and applied you most likely got hired. I don't need him or anyone else to judge my career, it is bad manners, and I will let my wife, kids, friends and shipmates judge my career thank you.

Sorry it wasn't luck and timing. It was dedication and focus. I knew what I wanted and went for it. Even to the point my own father threatened to disown me for walking into the interview. That was a very long phone conversation sitting in the parking lot of fsi long beach. In the end I did what I had to do.

Still not sure why your posting in a forum that has nothing to do with you. Yet you stay out of the forums that do and have no interest in your anti union rants.

Hmmmm interesting isn't it.

 

[acaTerry]

Some boats just hate a rising tide....

 

[X-rated]

If we need a question about dead end careers you'll be the first we ask.

Sorry it wasn't luck and timing. It was dedication and focus. I knew what I wanted and went for it. Even to the point my own father threatened to disown me for walking into the interview. That was a very long phone conversation sitting in the parking lot of fsi long beach. In the end I did what I had to do.

You started at NetJets 15 years ago when the pay was nothing short of abysmal! Then you elected to fly a 20+ year old G-POS instead of upgrading thereby continuing the self imposed low pay. You probably had your own reasons for making the choices you did, and no one is busting your jewels for doing it. However, the choices you've made give you NO CREDIBILITY when commenting on anyone else's career choice. Yip makes more money than you! You've been where you are for 15 years! Are you really throwing stones?

I guess having a father who would threaten to "disown" a son for such a trivial thing would screw a kid up pretty good. Your tone, demeanor and attitude make much more sense now.

 

[Diesel]

You started at NetJets 15 years ago when the pay was nothing short of abysmal! Then you elected to fly a 20+ year old G-POS instead of upgrading thereby continuing the self imposed low pay. You probably had your own reasons for making the choices you did, and no one is busting your jewels for doing it. However, the choices you've made give you NO CREDIBILITY when commenting on anyone else's career choice. Yip makes more money than you! You've been where you are for 15 years! Are you really throwing stones?



I guess having a father who would threaten to "disown" a son for such a trivial thing would screw a kid up pretty good. Your tone, demeanor and attitude make much more sense now.

Whatever floats your boat.

20 year pos? Hmmm I'll have to look at they 50 series cockpit and think about that 20 year pos.

It's simple pilotyip explains from on high about nothing he knows about and shows his severe distaste for unions but he would never post in the majors section. He could never take the heat.

As for my career I'd say it's pretty damn awesome I'm on the beach right now in rio top 1/3 of my company and still have another 25 years if I want and I'm fighting like I'm the last guy on the rung.

 

[X-rated]

Whatever floats your boat.

20 year pos? Hmmm I'll have to look at they 50 series cockpit and think about that 20 year pos.

It's simple pilotyip explains from on high about nothing he knows about and shows his severe distaste for unions but he would never post in the majors section. He could never take the heat.

As for my career I'd say it's pretty damn awesome I'm on the beach right now in rio top 1/3 of my company and still have another 25 years if I want and I'm fighting like I'm the last guy on the rung.

Sorry, Upgraded 20 Year old POS.

Like I said, I'm not busting your jewels for the choices you've made. They are yours to make, and you need to do what makes sense for you. I get that you don't agree with Yip on many things. That doesn't give you the right to judge his career especially since to date his career has been higher paying than yours. NJ obviously has more potential going forward, but he's getting ready to retire.

I know all about fabulous beach resorts. Though when I check in to the hotel, I unpack my cloths and hang them in the closet before heading to the bar for a two week bender. I'm not easily impressed by sitting on the beach. They're my TEB these days.

 

[Diesel]

So you're bitch is that the gulfstream is a 20 year old design and thus a POS because you fly a global? What are we in kindergarden?

YIP opens himself up to it. He comes on here spouting the world according to YIP yet he has nothing to do with the fractional industry at ALL. He doesn't post in the majors or cargo section and he doesn't rant and rave there about his hate of unions. He tries to keep it in a small area where he will get the most amount of people to agree with him which is usually corporate pilots that are anti union to begin with.

The difference is I choose to be an FO position if I wanted to my earning potential as captain far exceeds Yip's dreams and hopes. Not to mention the time off and benefits.

I don't choose just to quit and go someplace else. I choose to make this place better and better. I wonder if you use the same arguments when fedex pilots first started flying falcons..... Hmmmm

Probably want to lay off the sauce on those 2 week benders. Can't be good for your health.

 

[X-rated]

So you're bitch is that the gulfstream is a 20 year old design and thus a POS because you fly a global? What are we in kindergarden?

YIP opens himself up to it. He comes on here spouting the world according to YIP yet he has nothing to do with the fractional industry at ALL. He doesn't post in the majors or cargo section and he doesn't rant and rave there about his hate of unions. He tries to keep it in a small area where he will get the most amount of people to agree with him which is usually corporate pilots that are anti union to begin with.

The difference is I choose to be an FO position if I wanted to my earning potential as captain far exceeds Yip's dreams and hopes. Not to mention the time off and benefits.

I don't choose just to quit and go someplace else. I choose to make this place better and better. I wonder if you use the same arguments when fedex pilots first started flying falcons..... Hmmmm

Probably want to lay off the sauce on those 2 week benders. Can't be good for your health.

No, I don't fly a Global. Look again. That's not the point though. Many would consider the smart choice to have been to move two feet left instead of bypassing upgrade for such a long time just to get into any G, but especially an older GIV. Even though I currently fly a G650, I would now, and always, fly a King Air if it payed better.

 

[G4dude]

So you're bitch is that the gulfstream is a 20 year old design and thus a POS because you fly a global? What are we in kindergarden?

YIP opens himself up to it. He comes on here spouting the world according to YIP yet he has nothing to do with the fractional industry at ALL. He doesn't post in the majors or cargo section and he doesn't rant and rave there about his hate of unions. He tries to keep it in a small area where he will get the most amount of people to agree with him which is usually corporate pilots that are anti union to begin with.

The difference is I choose to be an FO position if I wanted to my earning potential as captain far exceeds Yip's dreams and hopes. Not to mention the time off and benefits.

I don't choose just to quit and go someplace else. I choose to make this place better and better. I wonder if you use the same arguments when fedex pilots first started flying falcons..... Hmmmm

Probably want to lay off the sauce on those 2 week benders. Can't be good for your health.

Yip is one of the nicest, most informed posters here. He just doesn't agree with you about unions.

 

[G4dude]

Diesel, your Dad threatened to disown you for applying at NJA? That is harsh. Why?

 

[Diesel]

Yip is one of the nicest, most informed posters here. He just doesn't agree with you about unions.

Sigh. Yet he will only post here about unions. Why is that?

Are you going to join us yet or are you still siting on the sidelines?

Frankly the fact that you two agree pretty much proves all the points everyone has been making.

Waiting for you to get in the game.

At least dip a toe in its not going to kill you.

 

[Diesel]

Diesel, your Dad threatened to disown you for applying at NJA? That is harsh. Why?

Because he wanted me to do other things with my life. I disagreed and went this route. One of those father son arguments that sometimes you have to stick to your guns and be ready for the consequences.

In the end he was the biggest supporter of NetJets anybody could have.

 

[Diesel]

No, I don't fly a Global. Look again. That's not the point though. Many would consider the smart choice to have been to move two feet left instead of bypassing upgrade for such a long time just to get into any G, but especially an older GIV. Even though I currently fly a G650, I would now, and always, fly a King Air if it payed better.

Why? Upgrade comes when it comes nothing I can do about it. I might as well be in the plane I want to be in until that time comes. I don't care about the age of the plane. Ive done my time in the I'v which was required before moving to the 550 it's different now but no reason to move.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Because he wanted me to do other things with my life. I disagreed and went this route. One of those father son arguments that sometimes you have to stick to your guns and be ready for the consequences.

In the end he was the biggest supporter of NetJets anybody could have.

My Dad said I should go to law school. Maybe he was right.....






Naw, I might have ended up like Hansell :smash:

 

[pilotyip]

I don't hate unions. When company gets a certain size it is needed to provide a single voice for the pilots. NJ pilots need a union. They deserve a better contract. I think you have great leadership in Pedro. A couple places I can think of need one badly. Flex Jet and K-2 come to mind. What I don't like is the unhappy Union member who is never happy and calls you names because you are happy. What I don't like is the union member who tells you you are screwing the brotherhood when you pick up open time. What I don't like is the union member who says we have two hours to make this turn at a mid point drop off and I am going to make sure we take the whole two hours. But in order to stifle voices like that we must be called names we must be insulted and even called a scab when we have not crossed a line. Guys like Diesel have been effective in silencing those voices at NJ. Someone has to speak up for them. Someone has to stand up to the thugs and let them show their true color
BTW: There is nothing beyond my hopes and dreams that could be fulfilled. They have all been fulfilled beyond anything I could have ask for

 

[X-rated]

Why? Upgrade comes when it comes nothing I can do about it.

You could be PIC making 80 percent more tomorrow! And, you could have been making at least 50 percent more for each of the last 5 years. I respect your choice if that's what makes you happy, but you more than anyone have no business judging others career choices. You are, well, unique. I suspect you have another source of income and flying is more of a hobby. If not, It's hard for someone like me to understand your choices because I'm probably too motivated by money. I suspect the crux of that conversation with your dad in the FSI parking lot years ago centered around that theme. I also suspect he didn't actually threaten to disown you though it may have felt like it at the time.

 

[Hawkered]

Both applied, accepted, and started college.

But neither have a degree. Maybe you should change your quote to "Glad I don't have a college education -- said no one".

The opportunity to bust your b@lls is a rare one -- and I will not pass on the opportunity.

In the spirit of good sportsmanship, I salute you! LOL!

 

[Diesel]

You could be PIC making 80 percent more tomorrow! And, you could have been making at least 50 percent more for each of the last 5 years. I respect your choice if that's what makes you happy, but you more than anyone have no business judging others career choices. You are, well, unique. I suspect you have another source of income and flying is more of a hobby. If not, It's hard for someone like me to understand your choices because I'm probably too motivated by money. I suspect the crux of that conversation with your dad in the FSI parking lot years ago centered around that theme. I also suspect he didn't actually threaten to disown you though it may have felt like it at the time.

Lots of suspect pretty much all wrong.

Might want to polish the crystal ball.

A contract isn't only about the pay section. They could pay a million a year but to work every day of the year to get it isn't a good contact either.

Your motivated by money which I suspect is because your jealous of those that have.

I'm motivated by qol and money is only part of that. If your gone every day from family what's the point?

 

[Diesel]

I don't hate unions. When company gets a certain size it is needed to provide a single voice for the pilots. NJ pilots need a union. They deserve a better contract. I think you have great leadership in Pedro. A couple places I can think of need one badly. Flex Jet and K-2 come to mind. What I don't like is the unhappy Union member who is never happy and calls you names because you are happy. What I don't like is the union member who tells you you are screwing the brotherhood when you pick up open time. What I don't like is the union member who says we have two hours to make this turn at a mid point drop off and I am going to make sure we take the whole two hours. But in order to stifle voices like that we must be called names we must be insulted and even called a scab when we have not crossed a line. Guys like Diesel have been effective in silencing those voices at NJ. Someone has to speak up for them. Someone has to stand up to the thugs and let them show their true color

BTW: There is nothing beyond my hopes and dreams that could be fulfilled. They have all been fulfilled beyond anything I could have ask for

Please provide and example where a crew did this 2 hour turn. Or are you just making something up convenient to fit into your hatred of unions.

Please also post your hatred of unions on the majors board I look forward to someone setting you straight there too.

But we all know you won't.

 

[pilotyip]

Please provide and example where a crew did this 2 hour turn. Or are you just making something up convenient to fit into your hatred of unions.

Please also post your hatred of unions on the majors board I look forward to someone setting you straight there too.

But we all know you won't.

Can't you read? I said I don't hate unions, I just don't care for your ilk's approach to this whole debate. If you go over to the other place and look at the job posting forum, you will see where I have said K-2 needs a union.
BTW: The two hour turn was a different company and a different union where the CA like to pad the duty rig, he also flew with the anti-ice on on clear VFR nights because the L-188 would be slower and pad our flight time.