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Hey Maaaaaaan Sammy-D here,
Here’s a dumb question for everyone. When the heck is the first ALPA pilot group going to stand up and say NO! Cast a strike vote, and just walk out. This is ridiculous. I am ashamed to wear the pin. We have lost all credibility and leverage as a union. We are a complete joke.
It was one thing to pitch in and INVEST in our airlines (mismanagement) as a show of good faith and as a business deal after 9/11 by taking temporary concessions. Those should have been considered loans and there should have been a return on those investments. Those days of professional generosity are over. Now most ALPA carriers have been through their second or third round of concessions, not to mention SO LONG retirement. At this point it is extortion and union busting, and we are bending over and taking it. I think the 1113 motions are going to be common place. Next stop Delta and NWA.
Every ALPA carrier’s management knows how spineless we are so they just keep going for more because they know that they can threaten, intimidate and get it. This is thanks in part to the fact that the senior pilots (who by the way negotiated most of these CBA’s) stand to lose the most by walking out. So I guess there will be more yet to come. Maybe as soon as the captains are down to FO wages we will realize that its time to say enough is enough.
I have been a supporter of ALPA and, have benefited from my membership all these years, but at what price. Considering the condition of the industry, and how badly we have ALLOWED ourselves to get beaten up, I think 2% of my salary, 3 furloughs, several concessionary contracts and the past 5 years of my life is too much. And I am one of the lucky ones. I guess I expect more from my dues that just a seniority number and a lawyer if I get my pee pee spanked.
When Boeing engineers didn’t get a good deal after a few months, they shut Boeing down and came to an agreement. Pilot group’s talk big to the media, then eventually succumb to threats, intimidation and cave in after months and months. What kind of collective bargaining it that. Face it we are wimps. No one is willing to call their bluff and stop this downward spiral. Does everyone really think the airlines are just going to shut down and file ch. 7 if we walk out????? That is pathetic.
I think ATA had a great opportunity recently to let management have it by voting no on the last concessionary TA. They cast a strike vote when mgmt filed the 1113 motion; did anyone ever even hear the results of that? No. Instead they passed the TA with 59% and 15% of the pilots didn’t even vote. That’s pretty sad. They should have walked out. They know this isn’t going to save the airline.
Time to call their bluff people. Time to say no. ALPA at the national level should be intervening at this point and advising all locals to say no more. Otherwise Time to branch off and start over on our own.
Here’s a dumb question for everyone. When the heck is the first ALPA pilot group going to stand up and say NO! Cast a strike vote, and just walk out. This is ridiculous. I am ashamed to wear the pin. We have lost all credibility and leverage as a union. We are a complete joke.
It was one thing to pitch in and INVEST in our airlines (mismanagement) as a show of good faith and as a business deal after 9/11 by taking temporary concessions. Those should have been considered loans and there should have been a return on those investments. Those days of professional generosity are over. Now most ALPA carriers have been through their second or third round of concessions, not to mention SO LONG retirement. At this point it is extortion and union busting, and we are bending over and taking it. I think the 1113 motions are going to be common place. Next stop Delta and NWA.
Every ALPA carrier’s management knows how spineless we are so they just keep going for more because they know that they can threaten, intimidate and get it. This is thanks in part to the fact that the senior pilots (who by the way negotiated most of these CBA’s) stand to lose the most by walking out. So I guess there will be more yet to come. Maybe as soon as the captains are down to FO wages we will realize that its time to say enough is enough.
I have been a supporter of ALPA and, have benefited from my membership all these years, but at what price. Considering the condition of the industry, and how badly we have ALLOWED ourselves to get beaten up, I think 2% of my salary, 3 furloughs, several concessionary contracts and the past 5 years of my life is too much. And I am one of the lucky ones. I guess I expect more from my dues that just a seniority number and a lawyer if I get my pee pee spanked.
When Boeing engineers didn’t get a good deal after a few months, they shut Boeing down and came to an agreement. Pilot group’s talk big to the media, then eventually succumb to threats, intimidation and cave in after months and months. What kind of collective bargaining it that. Face it we are wimps. No one is willing to call their bluff and stop this downward spiral. Does everyone really think the airlines are just going to shut down and file ch. 7 if we walk out????? That is pathetic.
I think ATA had a great opportunity recently to let management have it by voting no on the last concessionary TA. They cast a strike vote when mgmt filed the 1113 motion; did anyone ever even hear the results of that? No. Instead they passed the TA with 59% and 15% of the pilots didn’t even vote. That’s pretty sad. They should have walked out. They know this isn’t going to save the airline.
Time to call their bluff people. Time to say no. ALPA at the national level should be intervening at this point and advising all locals to say no more. Otherwise Time to branch off and start over on our own.
