time to quit my crappy job?

[Gulfstream 200]

i didn't quit, yet. i think that i will give it just a while longer while i line up something better. time is my problem, i just can't get any time off without faking sick, maybe, to go job hunting. 7am-7pm 6 to 7 days a week is just taking too much of my time.

thanks for the constructive and the colorful advice.

-casper the mule

"dentist appointents" and "follow ups" always work well for interviews....

oh, and 2 weeks notice?? always optional for the $hittiest jobs if you ask me...

Good Luck!

 

[casper1nine]

while it may be a $hi++y job, i am not a $hi++y employee, generally... but you are right g200.

 

[semperfido]

casper--- it is always easier to get a job if you have a job.

find a new job then give your notice and try not to burn bridges.

give serious thought to relocation...

 

[gunfyter]

I quit a flying job without anything lined up or even with a resume dusted off. It took 3 yrs to get another flying job. They wanted to know why I was not current. Well I could have had other flying jobs if I wanted to work for $2000/mo flying a 404 night freight. Or move to Fresno to fly for some regional that tanked a few months after the offer. Other bad deals.

It was a Big mistake. If I had held on, I probably would have gone directly to another flying job within 6 months or so. I could have been exactly where I am now only 3 or 4 years more senior and in a BBJ making almost 100K more.

Wish I had looked outside of aviation as well.

Good Luck.

 

[Corona]

you guys need to elaborate a bit on what kind of jobs you have that are "ending your life" or "putting your life at risk"...

I have had what I considered probably some of the worse flying gigs out there....and all it gave me was incentive to get the fark outta there...ASAP. - but that seems the norm in a non-military flight career.

Sure, I totally agree that you have to be able to look yourself in the mirror and keep your sanity, but what the heck are you guys doing that brings this on???



either way, best of luck, a flying career certainly is not worth being miserable over.

Overworked pilots are at high risk of losing their lives. I don't think that's a revelation in this age.

It also does make a huge difference which operation you work for. Some places are capable of ending good pilot's careers, either through incompetence or plain malicious action. I've personally seen it happen. The difference is a good place watches your back; the bad ones are looking at your back in a whole different manner.

I have never had a problem looking at the 'ol reflection because I've never sunk to the level of some of my former managers. But you don't have to get caught up in the tangled web for it to affect you. Sorry, I won't go into details here about the latest idiots I worked for.

C

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Corona -

If someone is letting their employer work them to the point where it is "putting their LIFE at risk" -- they have NO business being in ANY aircraft period. ever.

we have all told rotten bosses "sorry, I cant" and stuck our necks out in the interest of Safety. Its the nature of the business. If one doesn't have the balls to do this they have no need to be in any cockpit.

Aviation Golden Rule - look out for #1

 

[fokkers&beer]

If the jobs bad enough leave. I could'nt leave my previous employer fast enough, but we had maintenence issues. I left with nothing lined up and fared alright. Drained my savings however.

 

[mach none]

One of my best friends quit an airline job where we where both working. He had nothing lined up, just some faint prospects. He lucked out after one job propect dried up and got hired at Conagra. He is very happy and works with some great people in BOI. VERY LUCKY.

He was very lucky and it was before 9/11. I would have something lines up before you give your notice. Times are tough and extremely competitive.

Did I say he was Very Lucky?

 

[English]

I have two friends at Conagra. They're both really happy there, too.

I quit Aloha without having a job formally lined up. I knew my former employer wanted me back, and we had a handshake agreement, but no formal offer or start date. It played out just like I thought it would, but I spent a week and had some back up plans in place, just in case.

 

[av8tor4239]

I have a word of advice from first hand experience..

You will have more leverage to find a good job if you do your searching while you are still employed, no matter how much you hate it.

I was furloughed for a year, and when you have very limited income you become desparate and you will want to take the first job that comes your way (like I did, now look at me ) So give your self some leverage and do an extensive job search while you are still employed..

I would not say anything to your boss yet either.. If you can, maximize your time off, (if you have a bid system), maximize your sick calls (to the legal limit) use up all the personal days and vacation days you have left, and use all that extra time, going to interviews, job fairs, etc. When the time comes give your current employer 2 weeks and walk away!

 

[white E]

I have this friend and he just up and quit...he had this boss named Lumbergh or something like that. Rumor has it that he nailed his girl, but it was a mix-up. Hopefully the girl from logistics reads this and I'll be showing her my O face!
-W-
Quit dude...screw the job.

 

[b757driver]

I second av8tor's response. Take it from those that have been there. Whether it is being furloughed or laid off, it matters not. Neither is akin to "character building" - especially when you are going through it multiple times.

If you quit now, you may go through many months of unemployment. Are you ready for that and what that will entail for your self-esteem and marketability when you jump back in? Do you have a significant other? What's her take on all this and is she prepared to support you and put up with your downturns - which will happen? When you have limited income, guess what, it means you have limited resources which in turn will limit your opportunities! And....you WILL get desperate and go to a job that you will hate even more.

av8tor has given the best advice so far. Play smart now and you will shine through this.

 

[casper1nine]

thanks everyone and av8tor for the good advice.

without going into detail, unemployment would boost my ego and esteem over keeping this job. however, i have decided to hang in for a little while longer while i go into search mode. time off is going to be a biznitch to find, because i don't get any days off, ever. i will just have to fake sick or make up a dental appointment or something.

with that said, there has been a twist with my current job that looks like it is going to take flying out of the equation.

insurance is due for renewal and i have to go to recurrent.

since the airplanes are for sale, the boss has decided that he is not going to pay for recurrent this time and that we will just park the planes. yeah right. the planes have been for sale for over a year and that hasn't stopped him from wanting to use them so far!

i've done a lot of bull$hit for this company, but no recurrent = no insurance, and no insurance = me not even walking into the hangar, let alone flying any airplanes!

we'll see what happens.

thanks to everybody for the good advice.

best regards,

casper1nine

 

[flyinlow67]

Casper,
Hang in there buddy! I was in the same position until last week. Crappy freight job, bad airplanes and horrible schedule. I just got hired for alot more money, flying much better aircraft at a really good place. But if it wasn't for the crappy freight job, I wouldn't have the times and experience I needed to get the new job. Look at it that way and it becomes a little more bearable.

 

[cherokee]

I have this friend and he just up and quit...he had this boss named Lumbergh or something like that. Rumor has it that he nailed his girl, but it was a mix-up. Hopefully the girl from logistics reads this and I'll be showing her my O face!
-W-
Quit dude...screw the job.

I'm quitting my job flying so I can have all my free time for marketing the "Jump to Conclusions" Mat. It's a great idea I recently heard of. Should make a lot of bank. But I may need someone to help me with the TPS reports. Anyone interested...Anyone...

(Oh yeah...watch the cornhole!)

 

[MeadPilot]

I just found my way up to Alaska, and can't wait to start the line~ I left a job looking for this one, and glad I did. Come on up to the great white north.... if you dare!

 

[casper1nine]

i forgot to post that i quit a few weeks ago. i left just in time. the feds (with guns drawn) showed up not long after. back to burger king for me

-casper

ps: how do you list a former employer as a reference when he or she is in jail?

 

[SafetyTheSeat]

I think that I might quit my job tomorrow, or at least turn in my two weeks notice. My current job sucks, the airplanes are for sale, and for most of the past year, I have been re-assigned to work full time, read 6-7 days a week, in another area of the company, while still being expected to fly on-call as needed. I kept trying to quit over the past year, but the boss would just keep giving me raises. Anyway, I am tired of the schedule, want to fly more (in an enviroment where professionalism is appreciated), and am looking for a change in general.

So, here is my question: Have any of you good folks ever just quit a job you didn't like, without having your next move lined up? How did it work out for you, do you regret it, are you better for it? As much as I dislike my current situation, the uncertainty of change is somewhat unnerving, in fact, the thought of not having a job bothers me on a fundamental level. Despite that, I think that it IS time for me to move on. A friend of mine once told me, "you can't steal second base with both feet on first."

Anyway, I welcome your thoughts and comments.

-Casper1nine

PS: Any fresh info on job openings in Georgia or in the Atlanta area would be appreciated as I ramp up for the job search process. Thanks.

If it was me I tell them to call me when they need to fly and I would go play golf...
Your are a pilot not an office jerk.. If he wouldn't let you quit in the past he dang sure won't fire you for this adjustment in respect for your trade......

 

[SafetyTheSeat]

thanks everyone and av8tor for the good advice.

without going into detail, unemployment would boost my ego and esteem over keeping this job. however, i have decided to hang in for a little while longer while i go into search mode. time off is going to be a biznitch to find, because i don't get any days off, ever. i will just have to fake sick or make up a dental appointment or something.

with that said, there has been a twist with my current job that looks like it is going to take flying out of the equation.

insurance is due for renewal and i have to go to recurrent.

since the airplanes are for sale, the boss has decided that he is not going to pay for recurrent this time and that we will just park the planes. yeah right. the planes have been for sale for over a year and that hasn't stopped him from wanting to use them so far!

i've done a lot of bull$hit for this company, but no recurrent = no insurance, and no insurance = me not even walking into the hangar, let alone flying any airplanes!

we'll see what happens.

thanks to everybody for the good advice.

best regards,

casper1nine

Here's one for you to use if and when he wants to fly... I need $950.00 a day plus expenses to fly the plane now.. O by the way did that FAA inspector get up with you in regards to the annual? Call me when you need me I'll be playing golf..

Make him respect you........

 

[casper1nine]

good point, but no factor.............