Thoughts Anyone?

[ex nav]

"I also feel that she, as possibly the ranking female officer in the AOR, has the responsibility to right any policies that are detrimental to women serving in the AOR."

When the military becomes compartmentalized into "the highest ranking female, highest ranking Latino, highest ranking African American, highest ranking Arab, highest ranking WASP male" then it loses it's ability to fight (or in the AF case; fly, fight, and win). The military is not a place for "social experiments" despite what Pres. Clinton tried to do. The military exists to "kill people and break things" if our civilian leadership determines it is in this nation's national interest and/or for defensive purposes. That is it. No more and no less. Breaking the military into groups that where policies that said groups feel may be detrimental to it's own interests IS WRONG. you cannot have a cohesive fighting force if you have to "look over your shoulder" or "wonder who will sue if they do not like your orders" because they do not "advance the subgroup's agenda."

Don't get me wrong, the military can "lead social change" like it did when the US was still segregated and the military integrated. This is good and should continue.

What the military should not have do or not have to put up with, is someone who does not follow legal orders and cannot put "service before self" continuing to advance an agenda via the legal system (and have someone else who probably hates the military pay for it). I say again, suing the SecDef because you believe you are inconvenienced is absurd.

I guess that's my 6 cents worth.........


PS comparing Laura Bush's remarks about the Taliban and what they have done to women and clildren to the Saudi (and other Arab) culture and customs shows just how misinformed we can be. That is akin to calling all Muslims Arabs, etc, etc.

 

[JimNtexas]

Fire her a**!

This individual does not have the maturity to be an airmen, let alone an O-5.

It was fine for her to take her petty little complaint up the chain of command. But when she was told "no", her job was to salute smartly, shut up about it, and go fly her jet. Period.

How can she ever expect to give an unpopular order to anyone else and have it taken seriously? Would she have any right at all to complain if a subordinate questioned any or all orders she might issue?

The Air Force is full of rules that seem (and often are) silly and arbitrary. If she can't accept that, then she needs to find another line of work. Heck, as a navigator if I had sued everytime my feelings were hurt I'd have spent all my time in federal court.

By encouraging all the worthless barracks lawyers in the service she seriously damages good order and discipline. She should receive a referral OPR and be removed from flying status for her highly imature and unprofessional conduct.

Strong message follows.

Jim

 

[Draginass]

Our service people should wear conservative clothing in line with our own culture and if the Saudi's don't like it, we ought to tell them to pound sand. I've had about enough of cowtowing to the Saudi's for the priviledge of protecting their sorry, lazy, corrupt, hypocritical asses.

 

[T1bubba]

She's still making news...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/134388267_flier08.html

T1bubba

 

[RueterF16]

Are you joking??

Makes her sound good??? Did you even read the article? Have you really been associated with the military? This isn't a case of shooting unarmed civilians, it's a case of not following orders. LEGAL Orders!! Women's rights advocates would love to win this one because then they could try and get even more from the military. The next thing will be a comprehensive change in the promotion system to ensure that women receive a proportionate amount of the promotions, regardless of capabilities. It's called quota filling and is never good for anyone.
Did you notice that the article was (of course) written by a woman, she only spoke at a school for (once again) women. and nothing was ever mentioned about whether she responded to questions such as," Don't you think that by taking an oath to follow orders, you're in violation of that oath by not following them? McSally does not have the right or the wherewithall to determine what is or isn't a lawful order. Her determination that it is unconstitutional is a moot point. She doesn't get that option. She needs to a) Shut up and color, or b) get the **&$ out of the military and move on to some other form of work. I know her personally and she is NOT worthy of all the praise she is recieving for putting this before a court....

 

[o2deprived]

I Hate to say it but it just goes to show you how out of touch with reality some people have become.

Sort of goes along with the stupid comments some fashion moron had for Hamid Karzai and his wardrobe... talking about him dressing well. I really think that is the least of his concerns at the moment as the 6 month president of Afghanistan.

Maybe they should just let her go out by herself in street clothes and see what happens. She'll soon realize there is an element of protection that blending in will afford her in the future.

Perhaps she will come back home and take up the mantle for NOW and sue the gov. because they won't give part of the 9-11 fund to a bunch of people who think they deserve money meant for the victims.

 

[hawg2hawk]

My $.02

Most of the guys I know who have worked with her wish she was at least half as interested in doing her actual job than in cheesing for CNN.
I'm not sure what Rueter's McSally stories are, but there are plenty out there, unfortunately most of them are true, and none are impressive except in a bad way. I'm not saying they necessarily add up to an FEB (although they might), but from where I sit they don't quite add up to 4 years below the zone to Lieutenant Colonel, either. Let's just say she's not professionally admired in the A-10 community.
If she felt this strongly about what I consider a pretty weak issue, it seems to me there might have been a better way of letting people know she was serious without giving the whole rest of the Air Force the finger.
For instance, if she'd resigned her commission before suing her chain of command, that would have been supportable. But since that would have required some personal sacrifice, I can see why she didn't do it. So much for cojones.
So far the only people I've run into who support her actions are people who don't understand the real issue. I predict that by this time next year we will have seen some SrA somewhere suing his flight commander because working mid-shift is degrading and against his religion.
Way to go, Martha. That's the kind of forward thinking I like to see from my 4-below LTC's.
Maybe your advisors were confused.