This just in ... merger talks continue with "less generous terms."

[ACL65PILOT]

I am sure that the DC-9's though paid for have a oil price that starts a law of diminishing returns. I am sure that we have passed it. It is great to own an airplane. It makes it easier to deal with crude oil fluctuations, but at a certain point the extra cost to operate it, out weigh the profits of ownership. We are going to have to deal with it one way or another. I would guess that they will be parked by the end of the year causing a bunch of furloughs. I think that is why DAL and NWA may have slammed their doors shut very quickly.
It was less than two weeks ago when DAL was upping their hiring numbers for the year, and it was a 180 overnight. Now NWA is slamming their doors shut. I will give you that something may be up.
On the other hand. If DAL is going to pay a fine to the FAA, the two money boys would be the ones that would be in discussion with them, no one else.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Do not be an idiot.
Money guys deal with money, and the FAA has egg on their face. Guess what they want.

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas ACL,

They are certainly free to park all the DC-9s they want. Just as soon as they park all of their large RJs.

Nu

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Many of the reports on the months past were fairly close to how it played out with the MEC's. So for a second and only a second give WSJ credit. Read the article. It says nothing about meeting. It only states that NWA management wants to get this done. Yes, it may be spoken from one side but echoed from both. My guess is if we were all in a locked room once again, someone would be reporting it. No one is, yet. Until then, I would say it is more desire than anything else on managements part.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Heyas ACL,

They are certainly free to park all the DC-9s they want. Just as soon as they park all of their large RJs.

Nu

I agree 110%. RJ's need to be flown by main line pilots. I do not care how we get there, but it needs to happen. With the E series and C series coming on line, we can all kiss the DC-9's, 318, and MD-88 goodbye. Yes, today we have scope, but look back to 93. We starting giving the farm away. Do not think for one second that senior guys will not see the junior guys down the river to keep a little pay. That is what has gotten this industry to where it is today.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Just remember that the deal between the companies is done.
If they were to be involved with something this weekend, it would be them sitting down with two pilot groups from, "unnamed" airlines.

 

[jetflier]

I thought you wanted to give up your DC9 and come on over to Delta? Right? Didn't you ask me for help? You are an idiot.

Anyway, Anderson did state specific things NEEDED for a merger to happen, and that included FAIR INTEGRATION for his employees. If you think he will just laugh that off, I think you are wrong. He will do the right thing or lose all respect of his new employees. Am I naive? No, I think he knows he will get krap if he doesn't live up to what he was stating. Thank Gawd you know him soooo well. At least we know that your guy Steenland is a real fun guy, and can't wait to take his merger bonus and retire on Lake Minnetonka.

As far as the deal going through, well, let's hear what good ole Ray Neidl thinks:


"Basically, unless Delta management has a change a heart, I don't think they're going to do anything without the support of their pilots," said Calyon Securities analyst Ray Neidl.

"It shows that people don't want it to die and they'll keep trying things, but I don't think it puts us any closer."



Bye Bye--General Lee

General, with all do respect, Anderson worked for Northwest first, and while at NWA he said the same things, and would always look out for the employees of NWA first.

And he said that at his mansion on Lake Minnetonka !

You guys let the Trojan Horse into your tent !

 

[Superpilot92]

I am sure that the DC-9's though paid for have a oil price that starts a law of diminishing returns. I am sure that we have passed it. It is great to own an airplane. It makes it easier to deal with crude oil fluctuations, but at a certain point the extra cost to operate it, out weigh the profits of ownership. We are going to have to deal with it one way or another. I would guess that they will be parked by the end of the year causing a bunch of furloughs. I think that is why DAL and NWA may have slammed their doors shut very quickly.
It was less than two weeks ago when DAL was upping their hiring numbers for the year, and it was a 180 overnight. Now NWA is slamming their doors shut. I will give you that something may be up.
On the other hand. If DAL is going to pay a fine to the FAA, the two money boys would be the ones that would be in discussion with them, no one else.

Thats not possible under the current scope clause. They would have to park those pretty new EJETS before that can happen. Scope is a wonderful thing! DAL should try it sometime

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Never flown the 9. Not good enough of a pilot, I prefer glass

I thought you wanted to give up your DC9 and come on over to Delta? Right? Didn't you ask me for help? You are an idiot.

Anyway, Anderson did state specific things NEEDED for a merger to happen, and that included FAIR INTEGRATION for his employees. If you think he will just laugh that off, I think you are wrong. He will do the right thing or lose all respect of his new employees. Am I naive? No, I think he knows he will get krap if he doesn't live up to what he was stating. Thank Gawd you know him soooo well. At least we know that your guy Steenland is a real fun guy, and can't wait to take his merger bonus and retire on Lake Minnetonka.

As far as the deal going through, well, let's hear what good ole Ray Neidl thinks:


"Basically, unless Delta management has a change a heart, I don't think they're going to do anything without the support of their pilots," said Calyon Securities analyst Ray Neidl.

"It shows that people don't want it to die and they'll keep trying things, but I don't think it puts us any closer."



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[IronCityBlue]

Thats not possible under the current scope clause. They would have to park those pretty new EJETS before that can happen. Scope is a wonderful thing! DAL should try it sometime

When it comes to scope, I'm your guy's biggest fan, but come on. While Delta is not blameless when it comes to poor scope, you guys outsourced the new E170 and now that camel's nose is under the tent. It will require a bloody fight to kick it out and/or to bring that flying in house. The fact that Compass is represented by your MEC is a joke. CoEx was under the CAL MEC briefly, but now are not. That said, CAL pilots are the scope heros right now, with a white knuckle death grip on any jet over 50 seats. AA is at least sabre ratteling for any jet over 36 seats. I doubt they will get that, ever, but the 70's and up MUST be returned to mainline seniority lists by any means necessary. That if WAY more important than any pay raise or B fund bump.

 

[IronCityBlue]

I agree 110%. RJ's need to be flown by main line pilots. I do not care how we get there, but it needs to happen. With the E series and C series coming on line, we can all kiss the DC-9's, 318, and MD-88 goodbye. Yes, today we have scope, but look back to 93. We starting giving the farm away. Do not think for one second that senior guys will not see the junior guys down the river to keep a little pay. That is what has gotten this industry to where it is today.

Absofreakinglutely.

Getting 51 seat and up jets back during THIS round of negotiations (NOT later) will be the defining moment of our careers. Those planes MUST be taken away from outsource providers by ANY means necessary.

 

[jetflier]

Never flown the 9. Not good enough of a pilot, I prefer glass

I've heard that before,...in our training department from the new-hires. Most of these trainees had only flown glass commuter planes and had a very high wash out rate.

 

[dbrownie]

When some one from NWA mgt says

"Northwest proposes retooling" prepare for no one

but mgt to be happy. This is a multi million $ deal

for non pilots! They could give a crap about us.

Welcome to NWA culture......

DB

 

[contrail67]

Please...if a Delta paint job does not end up on NWA planes....I just hope they get the compass pointer on the right side of the NWA aircraft pointing Northwest instead of Northeast...I still cannot believe that plan got all the way to the paint shop before it was caught.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Heyas ACL,

They are certainly free to park all the DC-9s they want. Just as soon as they park all of their large RJs.

Nu

They can still keep 55 of them, it falls to the lower cap. 90 total if it remains wholly-owned.