There are people hired to come on these boards to influence.....

[Dumb Pilot]

There are also people on this board with way too much time on their hands

 

[wms]

Remember without managment there would be no airlines, kinda like women can't live with them; can't live without them.

And because of mgmt, there arean't as many as there used to be. Things that make you go, hmmm.

 

[pilotyip]

Wms, "there arean't as many as there used to be. What does that mean women, airlines, jobs managment? BTW 5 times as many people are flying than were flying 30 years ago, there are 4 times as many pilot jobs as there was 30 years ago, and all of the growth was had something to do with managment. Without the Part 119 manamgment guys there is no airline.

 

[DrewBlows]

Without the Part 119 manamgment guys there is no airline.

Without the Part 121 pilot guys there is no airline. What's your point?

 

[pilotyip]

Drew exactly!, takes both sides to make it work. There are good pilots and bad pilots, there is good managment and bad managment. Pilots are not the source of all troubles in the airline industrry, nor is managment the source of all troubles in the airline industry. We seem to bash managment the same way we bash SCABS, they do not deserve universal scorn.

 

[PCL_128]

We seem to bash managment the same way we bash SCABS, they do not deserve universal scorn.

Other than SWA and JetBlue, what other airline management is not deserving of such scorn? There may be a few good management types out there, but they are the extremely rare exception, not the rule.

 

[atrdriver]

Drew exactly!, takes both sides to make it work. There are good pilots and bad pilots, there is good managment and bad managment. Pilots are not the source of all troubles in the airline industrry, nor is managment the source of all troubles in the airline industry. We seem to bash managment the same way we bash SCABS, they do not deserve universal scorn.

The biggest problem, IMO, is that airline management aren't airline people anymore. They hire beancounters as CEO's, and they try to run the airline the way they ran Texaco, or a bank. An airline is a unique animal, and it needs to be run by people that understand that. SWA has Herb, and CAL was turned around by Bethune, who may have ruffled a few feathers, but he was an airline guy who understood the business.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

We seem to bash managment the same way we bash SCABS, they do not deserve universal scorn.

I agree, it's not fair to the SCABS to be compared to MANAGEMENT!!!

 

[pilotyip]

Why don't all the pilots who know how to manage an airline step forward and run an airline the way it should be run to make it a good place to work. There is severe shortage of capable airline mangers, and you scould save the industry. Really I mean it, I hear all the carping about managment, but its like the weather, just talk. BTW Funny S's Mom

 

[81Horse]

Why don't all the pilots who know how to manage an airline step forward and run an airline the way it should be run ...

What it really comes down to is leadership. It wouldn't matter if it came from within a company, or from outside; there's just a shocking lack of true leadership in the aviation industry -- but also in American business as a whole. We don't have Captains of Industry at the helms of corporations anymore -- we have modern-day Robber Barons.

It's a crying shame.

 

[Flip Conroy]

Then it's like Pilotyip said. Step up to the plate and DO SOMETHING about it, or quit bitching. It's typical behaviour. Point out the perceived faults of others in an attempt to make yourself look better. At least to you. But when it's time to put up or shut up, most just cower away because they don't have the knowledge or ability to do anything except complain.

 

[SuperKooter]

Not everyone who isn't dirnking the union koolaid is managment. Some people just have a realistic view of what is going to happen.

VOTE NO ON STRIKE

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Agree. Superpooter, atlcrjdriver, denumnuts, voiceofridulous, crashpad, etc, even ole Joe Merchant (although he's a pilot). Voting YES, strike ballots on the way.

(Sarcasm Alert)

You know what ASARJ, I confess, I was sent to this board by BL to infiltrate the line and bring down ALPA via flightinfo.com. I just got my stock option bonus for breaking the 100 post mark worth 750K and got July 4 off.

Dumb A**

 

[atrdriver]

Then it's like Pilotyip said. Step up to the plate and DO SOMETHING about it, or quit bitching. It's typical behaviour. Point out the perceived faults of others in an attempt to make yourself look better. At least to you. But when it's time to put up or shut up, most just cower away because they don't have the knowledge or ability to do anything except complain.

Most pilots DO suggest things that would make their company run better, smoother, or for less money. But getting into management, upper management at least, is something that, for the most part, is limited to those who have been there before. I would love a chance to be CEO of ASA. Whoever said that leadership is sorely lacking in this business is right on the mark. Pilots are problem solvers, and for the most part are hands on people. That is what this industry needs, not idiots that sit in their offices looking for ways to cut costs. Read "From Worst to First" sometime. It's very enlightening what a true leader can do for an airline.

 

[LAMESAUCE]

vote yes, only if they bring this year's christmas present to the picket line. and, instead of cookies, ask for some otter pops, it's hot out there.