The Skybus Innaugural flight yesterday....

[vixin]

For 65k you can get a job managing a Home depot or McDonalds. No self respecting pilot should be a 319 CA for that. It is pathetic that one would accept that.

 

[skiandsurf]

Red, its great that you like your job. I respect that. But I get the feeling by reading your posts that you really think highly of yourself. Have you always looked down your nose at people? Southwest is a great company. However, not everyone wants your job. You made the comment about someone working for a "second rate" carrier because, as you said, they tried to get on with SWA and didn't. So if thats the case I guess you think that if they aren't "good enough" for SWA they shouldn't fly anymore instead of work for said "second rate" carrier?

Its ironic that these "second rate pilots" that arent "good enough" to work for SWA, go out and get hired as captains on Airbuses or 747 Frieghters, and oddly enough, they keep there planes within the airport perimeter fence.

How many of you airline pilots have to listen to the SWA Burbank crash during recurrent ground school? 2000 feet AGL at 2 mile final and touchdown at 182kts.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Just because you can fly a plane does not mean you should work for any company you want. We have a culture that most would not fit. The b-tching and complaining...yea we have it here....but rare. Flying an airplane is not hard...the job we do is not hard. Being a good person is not hard...fun to hang out with is not hard. Finding the person that meets all the above....well it seems to be hard. I won't even go into personal apperance. Is he the big overweight guy that can't fit into his suit. You are also selling an image with a company. Face it, you have to look the part as much as act the part....this will open up an new can of worms. I have a friend who has a brother who is 5'10" tall at a regional airline...a bottom feeder who is about 330 lbs. I told him noone will hire him unless he loses some weight and does not look like Jared did before subway. I dirgress...I forgot...my life sucks.

10 Years ago, Southwest was the lowest paid airline of any major. No on wanted to pay for a type to fly a 737 for the rest of their career at sub-par wages. Southwest was hiring the rejects that could not get on with the legacy carriers. These guys are your captains now. Right now Southwest is one of the better places to get hired on. This might not be the case in another 10-20 years; we will see. My point is just because you work for Southwest does not mean you are better or more qualified then other pilots. That being said, I myself do not respect Skybus pilots.

 

[ICAO]

For 65k you can get a job managing a Home depot or McDonalds. No self respecting pilot should be a 319 CA for that. It is pathetic that one would accept that.

FIXIN...DONT BE A HATER.

 

[ICAO]

65K to fly an 319, wow!

Oh well, I suppose flying a RJ50 for more would be brainsurgery for some!

If I was that hard up, I would go overseas for twice the pay!

WHY DONT YOU GO OVERSEAS...THEN....Bye-Bye

 

[ICAO]

Just because you can fly a plane does not mean you should work for any company you want. We have a culture that most would not fit. The b-tching and complaining...yea we have it here....but rare. Flying an airplane is not hard...the job we do is not hard. Being a good person is not hard...fun to hang out with is not hard. Finding the person that meets all the above....well it seems to be hard. I won't even go into personal apperance. Is he the big overweight guy that can't fit into his suit. You are also selling an image with a company. Face it, you have to look the part as much as act the part....this will open up an new can of worms. I have a friend who has a brother who is 5'10" tall at a regional airline...a bottom feeder who is about 330 lbs. I told him noone will hire him unless he loses some weight and does not look like Jared did before subway. I dirgress...I forgot...my life sucks.

How did you get from a MD11 to 737 FO?

 

[vixin]

Dont be a hater. Just stating the facts. Get some pride little man. Its sure is sad that there are pilots out there willing to whore themselves out. People talk they need to feed there families and BS like that. Go sell cars it will pay as much or better. Manage the McD's, Home Depot or anything else. There are a lot of jobs that will pay 65k a year without harming the industry. Get some pride in yourself (That is for anyone thinking of applying to Skytrash). I made more then that flying a Kingair.

 

[LittleLearBoy]

Red Dog

You need to relax.

And for the U.S. Marine on board. I know what 0311 is, but can't recall the 85 numbers. I remember all those weapons you have listed. I remember the M60E3! All 18.5 lbs not including a belt of 7.62.

LLB

 

[Dizel8]

WHY DONT YOU GO OVERSEAS...THEN....Bye-Bye

No need to, gainfully employed here at a higher pay. Buh bye!

 

[Shrek]

For 65k you can get a job managing a Home depot or McDonalds. No self respecting pilot should be a 319 CA for that. It is pathetic that one would accept that.

The sad part is that they would have Apps if they offered 50/hour.

 

[RedDogC130]

I surely don't think highly of myself. I did not feel good when SWA didn't hire me on my first interview. I just laugh when everyone thinks they deserve a job because they have a ATP. The people that bash companies such as SWA...a lot... such as a few who are posting on this thread...I have a feeling by looking back at posts you made months ago...you had possibly just interviewed and now talk trash. If you were working at an airline that was bad and then you go to Skybus or the like then good on you for improving your QOL.
As for Skybus as a company....I wish they were not around. I wish a few airlines were not around...less to fight for business with. I apologize if it came across that I think I am better than the next guy but when it comes to getting a job it is a competition. Like it or not.

ICAO the MD-11 to 737....I don't get it? It is called moving to a different company.

 

[skiandsurf]

As for Skybus as a company....I wish they were not around. I wish a few airlines were not around...less to fight for business with. .

I am sure that everyone wishes that SWA wasnt around either. Remember, SWA is the original Greyhound of the Skies.

That being said, you better hope that your company runs them out of business like AA did to Legend Air. Skybus may not seem like a threat now, but if they make it long enough to open a couple more "focus cities" they might have a chance or long term survival.

 

[RedDogC130]

I am sure that everyone wishes that SWA wasnt around either. Remember, SWA is the original Greyhound of the Skies.

That being said, you better hope that your company runs them out of business like AA did to Legend Air. Skybus may not seem like a threat now, but if they make it long enough to open a couple more "focus cities" they might have a chance or long term survival.

I think you like talking trash for the sake of it. But you got me to respond.

I think they are a huge threat right now...not later. Time will tell if people like that kind of flying. No customer service...etc.. I took a look at their ticket prices. They are not cheap. Now add the charge for checking a bag...a soda or 2...a pillow, etc.... We will see. I hope they sink fast. for the employees...well they took a chance. That is life.

 

[chperplt]

I think you like talking trash for the sake of it. But you got me to respond.

I think they are a huge threat right now...not later. Time will tell if people like that kind of flying. No customer service...etc.. I took a look at their ticket prices. They are not cheap. Now add the charge for checking a bag...a soda or 2...a pillow, etc.... We will see. I hope they sink fast. for the employees...well they took a chance. That is life.

I think the model can be successful, but not this airline as it stands now. The model can't help a poor business plan, and I can't see CMH being anything but a poor business plan.

 

[skiandsurf]

I think you like talking trash for the sake of it. But you got me to respond.

I think they are a huge threat right now...not later. Time will tell if people like that kind of flying. No customer service...etc.. I took a look at their ticket prices. They are not cheap. Now add the charge for checking a bag...a soda or 2...a pillow, etc.... We will see. I hope they sink fast. for the employees...well they took a chance. That is life.

Of course, this is all in fun, but I try not to talk trash or spread rumors. I only say the truth.

As far as the rest of what you said, SWA has already proven that people will settle for less. Used to fly on an airliner and they would feed you a little meal, now you might get a bag of nuts, thanks to .......yeah.

And ticket prices, SWA is not the cheapest either. SWA has one of the best ad campaigns, it has everyone thinking that SWA is the cheapest way to fly. Guess what? its not.

I am not trying to bash SWA, rather telling it like it is. And like I said, SWA better do something fast to stop this next "cancer" of our industry.

 

[RedDogC130]

Here is the million dollar question...be man/woman enough to answer it. No answer will equal a YES. Do you fly for Skybus?...This is to SKI AND SURF

 

[skiandsurf]

Here is the million dollar question...be man/woman enough to answer it. No answer will equal a YES. Do you fly for Skybus?...This is to SKI AND SURF

No. Netjets.

 

[n25na]

You know why Skybus pays $65,000 for captains??? because guys are willing to work fly airbuses for that little pay.

We are our own worst enemies.

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i think this statement is spot on. the challenge is educating guys about seeing the big picture and i'm not quite sure how you go about that.

i've heard the argument recently that you can go to skybus to get airbus time. you shouldn't have to get airbus time. airbus time should be where you decide to retire. this has to be one of the few professions where someone will take less pay/benefits for operating larger/complex equipment because "it's cool."

 

[mvedepo]

Unfortunately thats the nature of the beast. I know many people that went to specific carriers to get heavy time, specific type time, etc because that will help them get their foot in the door of the place they want to retire from. This will never change. If you think it will you are fooling yourself. You will never be able to tell a CFI not to take a job flying a jet for the same pay. Of course everyone wants more money but sometimes people DO take a job to just better their equipment. The people that complain are the people NOT "whoring" themselves out because they are afraid that thier pay/job could be jeopardized. I try not to rush to judgement on people that take jobs that I personally wouldn't want. However, everyone has their own motivations and if they think their "path" is best for them then thats their choice. Everyone has to stick to thier own convictions.

 

[RedDogC130]

That is a good post