The Secret on getting a JETBLUE interview

[MCDU]

Here it is. I have come to the conclusion that you need to update as often as possible.
I had my stuff in for 3 yrs. Updated only once ( when I downgraded to FO). I feel I am well qualified. I have over 3000hrs in the Bus( 1700 PIC 1300 SIC). Prior Miltary etc. over 7000 hrs. So you would think I would get a call, NO. So, I started asking guys I knew who got the Call. They updated every two weeks.
So, there it is. Now that my company is out of BK I will not pursue Jetblue anymore. Like I said, you need to update.

Marty

 

[sayagain?]

Here it is. I have come to the conclusion that you need to update as often as possible.
I had my stuff in for 3 yrs. Updated only once ( when I downgraded to FO). I feel I am well qualified. I have over 3000hrs in the Bus( 1700 PIC 1300 SIC). Prior Miltary etc. over 7000 hrs. So you would think I would get a call, NO. So, I started asking guys I knew who got the Call. They updated every two weeks.
So, there it is. Now that my company is out of BK I will not pursue Jetblue anymore. Like I said, you need to update.

Marty

Guess you didn't really want to work there in the first place.

 

[Mugs]

Tell that to the guy that was writing letters trying to get his 767 Capt. seat back that he abandoned for Jetblue.

 

[MCDU]

Guess you didn't really want to work there in the first place.
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sayagain?


Well, not any more. I did. But when I saw the 190 rates, having to clean airplanes and now a huge loss, I lost interest. I might as well stick it out whereI am and hope our pay goes back up. I know there are still plenty who see Jetblue as their dream job. So for those keep updating. For me it looks more and more like a dot com bust.
IMHO
Marty

 

[AKAAB]

Huge loss? That's a laugh. A loss for sure, but 1.7 billion in revenue and a 20million loss FOR THE YEAR - which included around 15 million in one time charges - is not a HUGE LOSS. If you consider that a huge loss, then you might want to reconsider accepting the recall.

Big D just posted 1.2 billion loss - FOR THE LAST QUARTER. It's all a matter of perspective.

Good luck and godspeed. Time to pray for that $40 oil to come back...

 

[banger]

Well, not any more. I did. But when I saw the 190 rates, having to clean airplanes and now a huge loss, I lost interest......IMHO
Marty

Most know this but thought it worth mentioning that flying the 190 is voluntary. Nobody gets assigned the 190 unless they request it.

 

[Fox-Tree]

Most know this but thought it worth mentioning that flying the 190 is voluntary. Nobody gets assigned the 190 unless they request it.

Good thing you've got that in your contract so it could never be imposed on your pilot group without your consent....... oh, wait - never mind.

 

[Mugs]

Most know this but thought it worth mentioning that flying the 190 is voluntary. Nobody gets assigned the 190 unless they request it.

Thank goodness for those newhires that get stuck with it, right?

 

[IronCityBlue]

How to get an interview...

Thank goodness for those newhires that get stuck with it, right?

Many new hires have bypassed Bus classes to wait for a 190 class. You get a 2 yr quip freeze (no seat freeze) so the money for a new hire equals the same (give or take a few grand either way) over the first 2 years. First year pay (both straight pay and adjusted for premium pay) for the 190 is significantly higher than many so called "major" jobs.

Yes its true that fast uprades in the 190 aren't going to last forever. Its also true that the plane won't be a Yo-Yo forever and keep coming back to the gate. NWA is fighting for their lives just to maybe be able to fly that plane with their pilots. USAir barely won the right to do it (for now) and their pay is pretty close to ours. Delta doesn't have a rate for it yet (don't bring up the 73 classic rate, as you know that doesn't apply) but they do allow CHQ to fly lots of the 80 seat version (config for 70 but so what) as well as SKYW and Mesa for other airlines.

The mainlines therefore signed off on the rates for the new generation 70/80/90 something seat jets that are flying today. Years 1-12 adjusted for an 85 hour credit line value i.e. pay (conservative) puts JB's 190 rate 12% higher than CHQ E-190 CA's and 55% higher than FO's. (They don't have the 190 on property, yet, but that's the rate for it). Compared to Mesa's 90 seat rate we pay 24% higher than CA's and 55% higher than FO's. Compared to SKYW's 99 seat and under CL-65 rate we pay 30% higher for CA's and 76% higher than FO's. Compared to Comair's new 80 seat rate (which you know won't be much different than any future 100 seat rate if and when Delta pilots crack on scope) we are 30% higher for CA's and 46% higher than FO's. These are all rates mainline pilots have directly allowed the marketplace to become flooded with. Now they are fighting for their lives to keep or get some of this flying back on their list.

So what should our rates have been for the first year of operations for the A/C? Should we have gotten emotional, or better yet, righteously indignant, because it has 100 seats instead of 80 or 90 something, and paid twice as much? How much hourly pay would you sacrifice to get all the flying on one list were you are?

As for the sour grapes interview guy, sorry you never got called, but you didn't want the job anyway, never believed in the company, didn't really want to be here, but yet somehow felt you were owed the opportunity? It that a fair assumption?

While you of course have to update (as with any online app out there) I know of plenty of people who got called after having their app in for a short period of time, and plenty who had it in for years, updating constantly. Although you feel the hiring folks should have been wowed by your competitive quals and given you the job you were entitled to just so you could turn it down or perhaps ride out a furlough for a little while, is too bad.

Good luck at your present carrier. You rode out the tough times and now perhaps brighter days are ahead for you. We, on the other hand, lost 5 mil a quarter last year so therefore the sky is falling and this place won't be around very much longer. Especially since we just started paying for our first airplanes. (I mean how generous of Airbus was it to give us $5 billion worth of A/C for nothing!) Rumor has it we are on the verge of getting the same deal with OPEC. 5 bil worth of oil for free for the next 5 years. After that we're in trouble, but hey, that's what our business plan is based on.

By the way we don't have to pay for the 190's at all. EMB knew if they gave us 100 for free, it was like free advertisement. They will just add a few million to the rest they sell to other airlines and outsource providers as they scramble to get them too.

 

[h25b]

Good thing you've got that in your contract so it could never be imposed on your pilot group without your consent....... oh, wait - never mind.

I am convinced that this site has now been overrun by chest-thumping union goons. If you think a union is the way to go, GREAT. But you'd think that after the last few years of ALPA having their colllective a$$es handed to them you'd be a little less mouthy.

My 2 cents.

 

[banger]

Thank goodness for those newhires that get stuck with it, right?

I don't think you understand it. Even new hires can choose the 320 over the 190. In fact many are bypassing 320 classes to wait for 190 classes.

 

[Mugs]

It is easy to spin the positive while the company is growing. The tune will be quite different, especially for E-190 F/Os, when the growth grinds to a halt. Hopefully by then the payscale will have been revisited. Then again, if you are already safe in the 320 left seat why would you care?

 

[banger]

It is easy to spin the positive while the company is growing. The tune will be quite different, especially for E-190 F/Os, when the growth grinds to a halt. Hopefully by then the payscale will have been revisited. Then again, if you are already safe in the 320 left seat why would you care?

You know Mugs, you make inaccurate statements, people point them out and you just keep rollin along.

 

[bluejuice787]

It is easy to spin the positive while the company is growing. The tune will be quite different, especially for E-190 F/Os, when the growth grinds to a halt. Hopefully by then the payscale will have been revisited. Then again, if you are already safe in the 320 left seat why would you care?

Your mamma!

 

[Mugs]

You know Mugs, you make inaccurate statements, people point them out and you just keep rollin along.

Check back with me when the reality of a little stagnation sets in.

 

[banger]

It is easy to spin the positive while the company is growing.

Well yea! Isn't that by definition "the good times" Isn't that what CAL and SWA and Airtran are doing now also? Good for them they deserve it.

The tune will be quite different, especially for E-190 F/Os, when the growth grinds to a halt.

Wasn't this true at any airline anytime? Didn't people strive to get hired at the beginning of a hiring boom to avoid stagnation when hiring slowed?

Hopefully by then the payscale will have been revisited.

Actually I've heard the company is looking at it now and trying to pick maybe a bonus to stay past seat lock or salary increases or both.

Then again, if you are already safe in the 320 left seat why would you care?

Question is - Why do you care?

 

[Mugs]

For the same type of reasons that I don't want to do trans-con turns someday.

 

[iaflyer]

Dunno about the updating regularly thing. I updated my JB application 3 times in 4 years - got a call for an interview a couple of months after that last update.

 

[Mr Hat]

Actually regarding taking the A320 or E190 as a new hire.....I ran the numbers. Assuming a 3 or 4 year upgrade on the bus and the current 1 year upgrade on the E190....You'll make quite a bit more taking the E190 initially, Upgrading then taking the A320 CA position as soon as you can hold it. Still had my stuff in for 3+ years, no call.

 

[IB6 UB9]

Then again, if you are already safe in the 320 left seat why would you care?

Name an airline that some form of the aforementioned does not apply to...I challenge you. If you are preaching about unity I have to laugh while I ask you "where do you work?" and "is there such a thing as unity there?". The closest thing I see to unity these days is we all still wear epaulets...that's about it. That and after being at 5 airlines I can honestly say that this is the most unified group I have had the pleasure to work with.