The Price Of Happiness: $75,000 - guess what this is about?

[JT12345]

http://www.blogher.com/frame.php?ur...09/07/the-price-of-happiness-75_n_707721.html

Pop culture might want us to believe that the best things in life are free, but two Princeton economists beg to differ.
Inc.com has more on what Nobel Laureate Daniel Kahneman and his colleague Angus Deaton discovered in a new study:

Not having enough money causes emotional pain and unhappiness, the researchers found. But the happiness tipping point is about $75,000 - more money than that doesn't make a person cheerier, though it can help people view their lives as successful or better.
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Kahneman and Deaton distinguished between life satisfaction and joy by asking people to assess how happy they were on the previous day, and found that there was no difference between daily happiness levels of individuals making more than $75,000 per year.
The study echoes University of Illinois Professor Ed Diener's global research on the same topic, the results of which were reported in July. According to the Washington Post, Diener found that while the relationship between money and satisfaction is strong and universal, the relationship between wealth and positive emotion is more complex.
The Post explains:

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
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"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
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"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
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"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
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"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
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"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
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Get where I am going with this?

Taking 60% of a pilot group and putting them in the lower 20 percentile is disgusting. I am really surprised and appalled by this.

Not feeling the luv. This is how you bring brother pilots into the fold?

Wow.


This is the main thing.....How the hell do you expect us to walk around there after this?

I am not just speaking for myself. Most of the guys I talk to feel this way about it.
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[On Your Six]

What did you expect from them? You weren't good enough to pay 10K to join their list then, why should you be able to do it now for free? They expect you to earn it!


OYS

 

[Empennage]

http://www.blogher.com/frame.php?ur...09/07/the-price-of-happiness-75_n_707721.html

Pop culture might want us to believe that the best things in life are free, but two Princeton economists beg to differ.
Inc.com has more on what Nobel Laureate Daniel Kahneman and his colleague Angus Deaton discovered in a new study:

Not having enough money causes emotional pain and unhappiness, the researchers found. But the happiness tipping point is about $75,000 - more money than that doesn't make a person cheerier, though it can help people view their lives as successful or better.
​

Kahneman and Deaton distinguished between life satisfaction and joy by asking people to assess how happy they were on the previous day, and found that there was no difference between daily happiness levels of individuals making more than $75,000 per year.
The study echoes University of Illinois Professor Ed Diener's global research on the same topic, the results of which were reported in July. According to the Washington Post, Diener found that while the relationship between money and satisfaction is strong and universal, the relationship between wealth and positive emotion is more complex.
The Post explains:

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
​

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
​

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
​

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
​

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
​

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
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Get where I am going with this?

Taking 60% of a pilot group and putting them in the lower 20 percentile is disgusting. I am really surprised and appalled by this.

Not feeling the luv. This is how you bring brother pilots into the fold?

Wow.


This is the main thing.....How the hell do you expect us to walk around there after this?

I am not just speaking for myself. Most of the guys I talk to feel this way about it.
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You will have your vote jt. Please vote no.

 

[Empennage]

What did you expect from them? You weren't good enough to pay 10K to join their list then, why should you be able to do it now for free? They expect you to earn it!


OYS

Oys... You too, please vote no. Thank you for playing.

 

[madjack]

DJIA off 450 today, future looks dismal, time to buy some stock!! You will never get rich as an airline guy, but you will make decent money and reach the tipping point...the rest is up to you...

If you expect sympathy from our side, forget it...you lose seniority but gain in every other category...you want your seniority, you CEO should have merged with DAL...AAI pilots must give up something and seniority is all you got...not SWA pilots fault (or yours)...at least you get a vote, so

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Dude I get your point already. Why is this worth discussing? I also get that we are hours form your MEC either
a) rejecting this deal OR
b) accepting the deal and being lynched by an angry mob

If your MEC accepts it your membership will vote it down. All roads lead to arbitration where in a likelihood I'll lose $500,000 in career earnings as a result of my upgrade being pushed to never in favor of AAI pilots who will gain SWA retirements.

Talk about not feeling the love. This deal had the vast majority of AAI pilots bidding only against other AAI pilots on a monthly basis. This deal increased the career earnings of every AAI pilot while SWA pilots remained neutral. To me your statments read like "It's not enough until my (the AAI pilots) gains are so large that you (every WN F/O) are footing at least part of the bill for them." When the message I get is FUPM its hard to feel good about the outcome.

 

[Red Baron]

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"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
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Joy is something that lasts; happiness is something that is temporary. I hope you find a more permanent solution.

We aren't exactly thrilled with it here either. Hopefully, in a few years, we can all look back and wonder why all of the anxiety.

RB

 

[dragontamer]

Taking 60% of a pilot group and putting them in the lower 20 percentile is disgusting. I am really surprised and appalled by this.

Cultural disconnect. Every person who started at SWA (Astronaut, former airline pilots that were acquired, former Air Tran Captains that interviewed) started as number last. 99.9% partied like rock stars the night they were stapled.

Not feeling the luv. This is how you bring brother pilots into the fold?

No, you have gotten a better deal than any other pilots we have brought into the fold. Your group is receiving more than any other group that was hired or acquired by Southwest. A good, "thrilled to be here" attitude is all that is needed to fit in and get along. Sounds like you don't and won't have that. Maybe SWA is not the right fit.

Wow.

I Agree.

This is the main thing.....How the hell do you expect us to walk around there after this?

I would expect anyone that got hired by SWA to walk around happy to be part of the best company in Aviation and one of the overall best compainies period. Someone who got the opportunity to come in above the bottom and above others that were already there should be completely thrilled.

I am not just speaking for myself. Most of the guys I talk to feel this way about it.

Then vote no because this doesn't appear to be working.
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[Ty Webb]

This deal had the vast majority of AAI pilots bidding only against other AAI pilots on a monthly basis.

This is a misnomer. Over half of our pilots will be displaced from ATL. Those that are, will be bidding in a system where they have lost 4 years' seniority.

It's a double-whammy for those pilots. Lineholders for years, now displaced, and with no bidding power to hold one of your bases, let alone a line. Sorry you don't see it that way, but that's where many of us are coming from.

IF it goes to Arbitration (we still have 6 weeks worth of Mediation left before the 9/30 deadline) we might be able to come up with some improvements for both sides.

 

[waveflyer]

It's interesting. I do think it's the lack of control/married by seniority factor of our careers that lead so many pilots to be unhappy.

You're confusing two very different things- this is a good article, but where you take it will lead to unhappiness. An airline pilot must realize what they have control of, and what they don't and keep it all in perspective. Or go be a corporate pilot where seniority doesn't factor as much.

You're putting the control of your happiness on this deal and what is offered by SW. You do that and you're guaranteed to be miserable. Happiness is an individual internal thing.

You can either look at the positives, or not. 100% on you. Don't expect sympathy for getting hired by AT and ending up a SWA pilot. Anywhere on the list. Just not gonna happen.

As Buddha says: "you are not punished for your anger, you are punished BY your anger."

 

[waveflyer]

So- how "happy" do you think Lear was when Air Tran fired him? ... How happy were most Air Tran pilots when they learned their company fired one of their really good guys? How many of your Furloughed pilots were happy in 2009? How many of you were happy going about your strike preps?
You guys can go on for longer than I can- and I know enough about life at AT to keep going on that line for a while...

It's interesting this thread is about what makes a person happy.

SWA has been a study in what makes people happy for 40 years-

But you do have a part to play.

 

[Flybywire44]

http://www.blogher.com/frame.php?ur...09/07/the-price-of-happiness-75_n_707721.html

Pop culture might want us to believe that the best things in life are free, but two Princeton economists beg to differ.
Inc.com has more on what Nobel Laureate Daniel Kahneman and his colleague Angus Deaton discovered in a new study:

Not having enough money causes emotional pain and unhappiness, the researchers found. But the happiness tipping point is about $75,000 - more money than that doesn't make a person cheerier, though it can help people view their lives as successful or better.
​

Kahneman and Deaton distinguished between life satisfaction and joy by asking people to assess how happy they were on the previous day, and found that there was no difference between daily happiness levels of individuals making more than $75,000 per year.
The study echoes University of Illinois Professor Ed Diener's global research on the same topic, the results of which were reported in July. According to the Washington Post, Diener found that while the relationship between money and satisfaction is strong and universal, the relationship between wealth and positive emotion is more complex.
The Post explains:

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
​

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
​

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
​

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
​

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
​

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."

"...a key element of what many people consider happiness -- positive feelings -- is much more strongly affected by factors other than cold, hard cash, such as feeling respected, being in control of your life and having friends and family to rely on in a pinch."
​

Get where I am going with this?

Taking 60% of a pilot group and putting them in the lower 20 percentile is disgusting. I am really surprised and appalled by this.

Not feeling the luv. This is how you bring brother pilots into the fold?

Wow.


This is the main thing.....How the hell do you expect us to walk around there after this?

I am not just speaking for myself. Most of the guys I talk to feel this way about it.
​

Wait, but Southwest is the friendly airline! :smash:

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

This is a misnomer. Over half of our pilots will be displaced from ATL. Those that are, will be bidding in a system where they have lost 4 years' seniority.

It's a double-whammy for those pilots. Lineholders for years, now displaced, and with no bidding power to hold one of your bases, let alone a line. Sorry you don't see it that way, but that's where many of us are coming from.

IF it goes to Arbitration (we still have 6 weeks worth of Mediation left before the 9/30 deadline) we might be able to come up with some improvements for both sides.

Not that it matters now but the 717 guys would still have only been bidding against other AAI pilots no matter where they went. They would have base seat seniority based on whoever choose to go to that base.

There is nothing to mediate as both sides have stated that they won't give another inch. We are off to arbitration where both sides will have to live with whatever we get.

 

[JT12345]

BTWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW



I make more than a legacy FO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Narrowbody



Based on our life style $75,000 doesn't apply. But about $100,000 does. Atleast for me

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

JT you forgot to add:


"To SWA F/Os FUPM"

Maybe you should add it as your signature

 

[JT12345]

JT you forgot to add:


"To SWA F/Os FUPM"

Maybe you should add it as your signature

Nah, I am already getting paid right now. I looked up FUPM. Does not apply.

Got a 30% raise in our last contract. Industry average.

I love the guys talking how we hoped for this 3-4 years ago. A SWA buyout. Oil was $140 and that was before this AAI pilot contract. A lot has changed here at AAI. We knew you would walk in with your W-2s during this merger, hence our expeditious contract DEC2010. And I can tell you if it was not for this merger our Captains would have done better that's for sure.

 

[puddlejumper101]

Nah, I am already getting paid right now. I looked up FUPM. Does not apply.

Got a 30% raise in our last contract. Industry average.

I love the guys talking how we hoped for this 3-4 years ago. A SWA buyout. Oil was $140 and that was before this AAI pilot contract. A lot has changed here at AAI. We knew you would walk in with your W-2s during this merger, hence our expeditious contract DEC2010. And I can tell you if it was not for this merger our Captains would have done better that's for sure.

umm, the only reason you got this contract was because your old mgmt team was leaving. Do you think the previous ATN MGMT team would have done this if they knew they were staying? No way, they would rather see you guys burn the place down than give in, they gave in cause they knew this was not going to be their problem anymore.

 

[JT12345]

Maybe. And the Dow Jones will be up 1000 points at the openning bell.

Except for the Dow Jones life is really good right now. Thanks for the help with the contract then Piddle.

 

[Sacha]

Nah, I am already getting paid right now. I looked up FUPM. Does not apply.

Got a 30% raise in our last contract. Industry average.

I love the guys talking how we hoped for this 3-4 years ago. A SWA buyout. Oil was $140 and that was before this AAI pilot contract. A lot has changed here at AAI. We knew you would walk in with your W-2s during this merger, hence our expeditious contract DEC2010. And I can tell you if it was not for this merger our Captains would have done better that's for sure.

Which is it? All I see posted here by airtran guys is the fact that in an arby what SWA pilots got paid compared to you is meaningless. But then you state that is the very reason you expedited your DEC2010 contract because of our W-2s. How contradictory can you get? Care to clarify?

 

[puddlejumper101]

Maybe. And the Dow Jones will be up 1000 points at the openning bell.

Except for the Dow Jones life is really good right now. Thanks for the help with the contract then Piddle.

Just remember something, we are playing for the same boss. He doesn't want two companies, he wants one. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. GK is also paying your bills like he is paying mine. Yet the differences between you and me right now are staggering. We might all be friends in a year or so, but right now...the step-brother just gave daddy the finger.