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The most expensive magazine turns alarmist....

Rez O. Lewshun

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The latest ALPA magazine highlights the forces of globalization...

IMHO, the fight has never been more real and urgent than now for US pilots flying US registered jets for US companies....


The maritime industry is an example to follow with flags of convenience, foreign ownership and foreign crews. Consider a B787 or A380 registered in one country, own by a corporate "citizen" of another country and operated by crews of another country. And the heavy mx is done in another country. What others have planned for labor in the US Air Line Industry (if it still exists) doesn't include paying wages consummate to an American standard of living.

What we have in our favor is National Security, CRAF and safety.


When will the pain of the status quo motivate you to take action? If you do participate, the Air Line Pilot career you save might be your own.
 
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The latest ALPA magazine highlights the forces of globalization...

IMHO, the fight has never been more real and urgent than now for US pilots flying US registered jets for US companies....


The maritime industry is an example to follow with flags of convenience, foreign ownership and foreign crews. Consider a B787 or A380 registered in one country, own by a corporate "citizen" of another country and operated by crews of another country. And the heavy mx is done in another country. What others have planned for labor in the US Air Line Industry (if it still exists) doesn't include paying wages consummate to an American standard of living.

What we have in our favor is National Security, CRAF and safety.


When will the pain of the status quo motivate you to take action? If you do participate, the Air Line Pilot career you save might be your own.

Back the PAC?
 

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Alpa

First let me say ALPA is not perfect...but...IMHO...If you're not ALPA you are part of the problem period. As airline pilots we have bigger issues to deal with than just what's going on with your particular company. Chances are you'll work for multiple companies anyway. ALPA is not perfect granted...but it is the only organization large enough to give airline pilots a real voice. Get with the program!
 

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First let me say ALPA is not perfect...but...IMHO...If you're not ALPA you are part of the problem period. As airline pilots we have bigger issues to deal with than just what's going on with your particular company. Chances are you'll work for multiple companies anyway. ALPA is not perfect granted...but it is the only organization large enough to give airline pilots a real voice. Get with the program!


So I am part of the problem because ALPA chose to NOT represent my company because we were too small?

Much like the major airline pilots that were too good for small jets, ALPA shot itself in the foot by being too good to represent small airlines, and then has the audacity to blame those it chose to ignore.

That said, I think the topic of this thread is very important. Open Skies has hurt our industry. I think most of us feel that the government wants to take us towards Cabotage. Cabotage is essentially how the shipping and cruise line industry operate today. And, with the US in debt to so many nations, I think our government is more willing to give up the preotections of our industry in order to gain more support from our national debt holders. More important than national seniority, wage restoration, and subcontracted flying is the protection of the American pilot's right to fly American passengers in America, and to be the most convenient way for American passengers to reach a wide range of international destinations. American mechanics should maintain the aircraft flown by American airlines, and American reservationists should handle the purchase of tickets on American airlines.

I feel that our industry is like a utility. Our utilities are vital assets, and need to be controlled and operated independant of foreign influence.
 
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Non-union a fact of life

There will always be non-union airlines, much as there has been non-union auto makers. When unions add cost to a union company, the company looses its ability to compete with the non-union companies. UAW membership 1978 close to 1M, 2009 less than 300K
 
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Remind me again, who opened the door for outsourcing? Loosers. Yes, I meant to spell it that way! It is the accepted Flight Info way to spell the word, damnit!
 

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Re: The most expensive magazine turns alarmist...

The latest ALPA magazine highlights the forces of globalization...

Think DCI = global business model.

Toodleloo!
 

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splling?

Remind me again, who opened the door for outsourcing? Loosers. Yes, I meant to spell it that way! It is the accepted Flight Info way to spell the word, damnit!
So htis thread is now about sppeling? i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg.The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! If you can raed tihs forwrad it.
 

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So I am part of the problem because ALPA chose to NOT represent my company because we were too small?

Isn't Bearskin Airlines represented by ALPA, they have like a handful of Beech 99's and Metros? Isn't Commutair represented by ALPA?

What is the history here? It seems doubtful they turned their nose up at your company.
 

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Bearskin was represented by CALPA, the Canadian Airline Pilots Asocciation,which merged with ALPA after Air Canada defected which in turn forced CALPA to file for the Canadian equivelant of BK court protection . The ALPA-CALPA merger occured around this time,with all airlines represented by CALPA becoming ALPA represented carriers. This is how Bearskin became an ALPA represented carrier. I doubt ALPA would have shown much interest if Bearskin was non union and expressed an interest in becoming an Alpa carrier on their own.

PHXFLYR
 
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Isn't Bearskin Airlines represented by ALPA, they have like a handful of Beech 99's and Metros? Isn't Commutair represented by ALPA?

What is the history here? It seems doubtful they turned their nose up at your company.

ALPA didn't want Chautauqua a decade ago when they flew Jetstreams and Saabs...so CHQ pilots went with the IBT because they would represent them.

Wouldn't ALPA National love to have RAH (and their dues revenue) now!
 

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I wish I could once more step up to the plate, and volunteer. My job, however, was outsourced, and I'm no longer an active member. I'm too busy trying to save the house....THANKS WOERTHLESS, who signed and approved all the contracts with outsourcing. THANKS Northwest and United MEC's, who negotiated all the regional jet outsourcing, and established the third rate regional career standards, which the majority of their pilots will be subject to for the entirety of their careers...

All you hard chargers who step up to volunteer for alpa: it's a great calling, but also keep one eye on the MEC's, negotiators, alpa lawyers, and alpa chairman, who may find gain in the loss of your job!
 

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for pilots who aren't ALPA members, there is CAPA-PAC

http://www.capapilots.org/capa_pac.asp

I hate to disagree, but any pilot who contributes to CAPA-PAC is only throwing his money away. CAPA hasn't actively engaged in campaign contributions in several years. The little bit of money that they collect just sits in the small bank account and serves no purpose. Don't throw away your money by sending it to CAPA.

Bearskin was represented by CALPA, the Canadian Airline Pilots Asocciation,which merged with ALPA after Air Canada defected which in turn forced CALPA to file for the Canadian equivelant of BK court protection . The ALPA-CALPA merger occured around this time,with all airlines represented by CALPA becoming ALPA represented carriers. This is how Bearskin became an ALPA represented carrier. I doubt ALPA would have shown much interest if Bearskin was non union and expressed an interest in becoming an Alpa carrier on their own.

PHXFLYR

ALPA has organized several very small Canadian airlines in the last few years, long after the CALPA merger. Wasaya was the latest example, with just a handful of pilots. Commutair and Colgan are also good examples of small American regionals that have been organized in the last few years. Commutair has just 150 pilots. Size has been a factor in the past for ALPA when making decisions about organizing drives, but it hasn't been in recent years.
 

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I hate to disagree, but any pilot who contributes to CAPA-PAC is only throwing his money away. CAPA hasn't actively engaged in campaign contributions in several years. The little bit of money that they collect just sits in the small bank account and serves no purpose. Don't throw away your money by sending it to CAPA..

That might be true.... then suggesting ALPA is really the only effective game in town...

Nonetheless, the SWA, AMR, USAPA and others have an avenue... what they chose to do with it is up to them.....
 

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The maritime industry is an example to follow with flags of convenience, foreign ownership and foreign crews.

The maritime industry is one of the most regulated industries in the US courtesy of the Jones Act, FMC, etc. The carriers have anti-trust immunity which allows them to price fix, negotiate joint rates with suppliers, capacity share, etc.

So in 90% of your posts you push the need to re-regulate aviation but then you use a heavily regulated industry to point out how/why aviation needs to watch out?

Here is a hint to the solution for both aviation and the maritime industry. Badly run business's no matter the circumstances will eventually fail.
 

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The maritime industry is one of the most regulated industries in the US courtesy of the Jones Act, FMC, etc. The carriers have anti-trust immunity which allows them to price fix, negotiate joint rates with suppliers, capacity share, etc.

The jones act covers waterways domestically... I am speaking globally...

Of the thousands of ships in the maritime industry less than 90 are American and most of those are controlled by the govt to move the MIL. There is hardly any commerical US operations.

Most of the crews in the global maritime industry are filipino...

So in 90% of your posts you push the need to re-regulate aviation but then you use a heavily regulated industry to point out how/why aviation needs to watch out?

Incorrect... you don't understand the issue... or you are focused on domestic..

Here is a hint to the solution for both aviation and the maritime industry. Badly run business's no matter the circumstances will eventually fail.

Perhaps you didn't read the magazine this month? Or look at the http://www.demos.org/ report on the failed deregulated industry...


here is more

http://www.eurunion.org/eu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2936&Itemid=26
 

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Minimaniac posted: So I am part of the problem because ALPA chose to NOT represent my company because we were too small?

Umm no...I doubt that was the case with your airline. Which was what again?

ALPA doesn't chose a pilot group...a pilot group choses ALPA.
 
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