The hits keep coming...pt.2...3....4?

[mxpilot2]

I agree with parts of Avbug's post, as well as Flyguy's.

I have led a blessed existence, 18 years with the same company, but it should have been able to go to the end of my career. We were using two airplanes (or more) effectively for the whole time I was there. Then it slowed. Economics? Could be, stock prices wouldn't support some of the business we were trying to do. What stopped it? A good part of it is change in perceptions. Top brass not wanting to stand up to public scrutiny, because the right answers (that it is a business tool) aren't enough to sit well with the public. Public perception has been molded by the media, and the media attention given to the new president, who parrots what the media has put out there. Economics play a part, but they are making it harder on themselves by travelling on airlines, which is more acceptable to the general public.

I have never been fired with a day's notice from any job- charter, fractional, corporate or otherwise. I swear to you though, I have worked continuously in aviation, as a pilot, since 1980. Maybe I just worked for better outfits.

 

[avbug]

When are they gonna do a 60 Minutes segment on the corporate aircraft that the taxpayers ARE actually paying to operate...the government's?

Why don't you ask the folks who produce 60 Minutes?

More to the point, what has this to do with the President of the United States? He didn't create the situation in which we're in, nor does he produce the show.

 

[LJ45]

You're blaming the collapse of a corporate department on a newly elected president? You're probably not embarassed to make such a stupid comment, but you certainly should be.

As for layoffs, closures, furloughs, and other job losses in aviation...it's aviation. If one has been in the same job for eighteen years in this business, one has lead a truly sheltered life. It's not reality.

Then again, if one hasn't lost a job with a day's notice, one hasn't really flown corporate, either.

Well...Avbug you have had some good post in the past, But I guess you don't understand what's coming out of the mouth of the president and our other, so call leaders.

 

[LJ45]

You're blaming the collapse of a corporate department on a newly elected president? You're probably not embarassed to make such a stupid comment, but you certainly should be.

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I didn't say anything like that.

 

[PlaneStupid]

Nice.

 

[flyguy75000]

More to the point, what has this to do with the President of the United States? He didn't create the situation in which we're in, nor does he produce the show.

This has EVERYTHING to do with the President of the United States and his congressional friends. Everyone in the world hears what they say, and when they speak out against "private jets" they are demonizing the very thing so many of us do, meanwhile being the biggest hypocrites while they do it. I have personally flown the "President" while he was a FNG Senator, he sure as hell didnt seem to have a problem with "private jets" then. They don't seem to care that when planes stop flying, it doesnt just send "CEO's" to the Delta ticket counter. It sends thousands of people, from caterers to line guys to mechanics, to the unemployment line to suck off the govt. nipple.

When you are in the spotlight, every word and action has a repercussion. And a President or his corrupt a$$ Chief of Staff should know that. Or perhaps they are trying to create another crisis so they can capitalize on an opportunity for the history books.

 

[surplus1]

Sorry but I have to agree with avbug. The current president is not responsible for the state of the economy.

If you must find someone to 'blame' for the effects on corporate aviation, start with the CEOs that you fly around, especially those in the financial industry/markets. They are the ones that pay the politicians to remove the regulatory controls. They are the ones who, once the controls are removed, invent the phony 'instruments' and perpetrate the frauds and ponzi schemes that have caused financial collapse and the subsequent economic crisis. They are the ones that take public money, hundreds of millions in uneared salaries and bonuses and the perks that go with it.

They are the ones that overcharge the government, generate massive cost overruns, and rip-off our country -- with pleasure.

They are the ones that create unprecedented usury to milk the public for their personal gain.

You're not suffering because of what the President said. You're suffering because of what your bosses did - and do every day!

They shouldn't be sent to the 'Delta ticket counter', they should be sent to the penitentiary, along with the politicians who happily took the 'funding' (bribes) and who still support a system of corporate welfare that has prevailed ever since Reagan was President.

Blame the 'Chicago School' economists and their 'free market' and 'trickle down' theories. Blame those politicians that support and are a part of that system.

You don't deserve to lose your job nor do any of the other millions of 'little people' in America. But, each time those corporate moguls board your aircraft (if you still have one) you should remember who it is that put us all in jeopardy.

Whether you like him or not, the current President isn't a part of that gang of thieves.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Blame the 'Chicago School' economists and their 'free market' and 'trickle down' theories. Blame those politicians that support and are a part of that system.

"Trickle Down" isn't a theory but rather a reality and this downturn flat out proves it.

How many pilots have lost their jobs because their owner/boss lost his fortune?

If the rich people don't have money in their pocket they don't have any to spend ("trickle down") on their jets or crews...

 

[LJ45]

ok we can agree the current pres didn't start this, but does anybody think he is helping our industry?

 

[AA717driver]

Thats why God invented BEER.

And try not to start drinking before 4pm.

I picked a lousy decade to stop drinking!

Working on my second furlough--AA started laying off FA's and won't hesitate a second to cut the pilot ranks so while it's easy now to tell people to keep their chin up, it's getting darker and darker out.

Maybe I'll go get one of those UAV jobs so I can drink AND fly. Perfect! :beer:

Fido--At least you didn't put Ozark out of business when you left.

TC

 

[semperfido]

they didn't even bat an eye- gotta love the union