The Hiring Boom?

[JettBoii]

There's no shortage here...move along.

 

[pilotyip]

This sounds far more plausible than someone posting a thread saying there is going to be "a big hiring boom" in aviation!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh::laugh:

the year is not over, watch the 2012 hiring boom is calling, but there will a shortage of great jobs, but the lower end is already experiencing the shortage of qualified people

 

[rod farva]

Delta's not hiring until 2015. Stick that in your hiring boom bong and rip it.

 

[JettBoii]

There is and always will be a surplus of pilots.

 

[pilotyip]

Delta's not hiring until 2015. Stick that in your hiring boom bong and rip it.

read above again, there will never be shortage of pilots for great jobs, when they cannot find enough pilots they redefine competitive minimums. Such as the late 90's when NWA and UAL hired pilots without a four year degree

There is and always will be a surplus of pilots.

Not true the lower end the business is having trouble filling classes, I know they are crummy jobs and no one wants them, but there is no surplus there.

 

[cynic]

And one more time...

Focus....

The supply of pilots does not necessarily impact wages. There will be a strong demand for pilots and low wages.

 

[pilotyip]

And one more time...

Focus....

The supply of pilots does not necessarily impact wages. There will be a strong demand for pilots and low wages.

Oh my Gad! I think I agree with cynic

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

So there's a qualifier with your poor predictions...

"Just you wait for the 2012 pilot hiring boom*"

*jobs may be low wage, high stress positions with bases in less than desirable cities with chance for upgrade exceeding 10 years. Company may also freeze wages and/or declare bankruptcy 7 or 11 or merge with another airline eliminating job security without notice, reason, or logic. Other conditions may apply, see airlines for details. May not comply with union contracts or federal, state, and local laws.

 

[pilotyip]

So there's a qualifier with your poor predictions...

"Just you wait for the 2012 pilot hiring boom*"

*jobs may be low wage, high stress positions with bases in less than desirable cities with chance for upgrade exceeding 10 years. Company may also freeze wages and/or declare bankruptcy 7 or 11 or merge with another airline eliminating job security without notice, reason, or logic. Other conditions may apply, see airlines for details. May not comply with union contracts or federal, state, and local laws.

True there will a hiring boom at those places, anyone with mins will get a job, and the good jobs will be less picky about who they hire. Been watching this game for too long not to see this coming. Luck and timing will play bigger part in this process than skill or desire.

 

[G-force]

Short supply?????????

There is and always will be a surplus of pilots.

We can agree on "some pilots",however,those that are experienced,can transition to PIC,possibly acquire a type rating,maybe be in short supply!!!!!!:laugh:

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

True there will a hiring boom at those places, anyone with mins will get a job, and the good jobs will be less picky about who they hire. Been watching this game for too long not to see this coming. Luck and timing will play bigger part in this process than skill or desire.

I thought about adding a snarky: "but not a job at the good airlines"
But it occurred to me that there are only a few dream jobs left. And since most of us aren't connected enough to get those, the future for a pilot career is in a niche position.

To the point, if the brightest outlook is the possible hiring in a bottom feeding regional, or as a flight instructor, then the outlook is really rather dim.

 

[pilotyip]

I thought about adding a snarky: "but not a job at the good airlines"
But it occurred to me that there are only a few dream jobs left. And since most of us aren't connected enough to get those, the future for a pilot career is in a niche position.

To the point, if the brightest outlook is the possible hiring in a bottom feeding regional, or as a flight instructor, then the outlook is really rather dim.

Why such a dim out look, Boeing says 100,000's new job in the next 15 years. Who is going to fill those jobs at the Majors and upper LLC's? The military will as usual get head of the line privileges. But there are not very many of those out there anymore, and the lure of the airline job has lost a lot of its former glamor, so a lot of mil guys are just getting out of flying when they leave the service.

So whose is next in the hiring line, 121 Captains from the regionals, wide body cargo, and even places like JUS where a guy builds 2000 hours of 121 TJPIC. When these guys leave those jobs, it will create opening at the lower levels, allow advancement at the lower levels, and accelerate the hiring boom.

I wish I was 33 again and just getting out of the Navy, there will be so many opportunities out there.

This is still a great career if you like to fly airplanes, if you are in it well see below.

 

[atpcliff]

The best, highest paying jobs now are in Asia. There is an accelerating global pilot shortage.

Even in the US, passenger demand is expected to rise about 5% per year for over the next 20 years. We will be needing a lot of pilots soon.

cliff
GRB

 

[pilotyip]

The best, highest paying jobs now are in Asia. There is an accelerating global pilot shortage.

Even in the US, passenger demand is expected to rise about 5% per year for over the next 20 years. We will be needing a lot of pilots soon.

cliff
GRB

I want you all to know that Cliff studied under pilotyip, he understands pilot shortage.

 

[emspilot 01]

Blah...Blah...Blah... The pilot shortage rumors were going on for years...When will it actually happen? To many guys are willing to fly for free...uke:

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Fly for our bottom feeder so you have a snowball's chance in hell to fly for Southwest or Fedex during the "hiring boom".

Sucker born every minute.

 

[pilotyip]

Fly for our bottom feeder so you have a snowball's chance in hell to fly for Southwest or Fedex during the "hiring boom".

Sucker born every minute.

Yea don't be like those JUS pilots that have moved on to SWA, FedEx, UPS, DAL, NJ, JB, AT, Spirit, AAL, UAL, Allegiance, Atlas, Kalitta 74's, Fortune 100 companies, and a bunch of other places. No would ever want to get that like of opportunity. For many pilots it is there first exposure to a structured airline training program, it gives them the skills to go to the next level.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Yea don't be like those JUS pilots that have moved on to SWA, FedEx, UPS, DAL, NJ, JB, AT, Spirit, AAL, UAL, Allegiance, Atlas, Kalitta 74's, Fortune 100 companies, and a bunch of other places. No would ever want to get that like of opportunity. For many pilots it is there first exposure to a structured airline training program, it gives them the skills to go to the next level.

Speaking of bottom feeders

 

[pilotyip]

Speaking of bottom feeders

You know you are a freight dog when you are hired at a major without a 4-yr degree in front of pilots with a 4-yr degree. Why because you’re prospective employer knows you have done and handled just about everything. You are a master at getting the job done. Story comes to mind of freight dog pilot now Capt at Jet blue, his Airbus is diverted due to weather at destination, he knows the pax are hungry. He has been to this airport before, so he calls the FBO on the Skyphone and orders 22 pizzas. How did he know to do that, he had been there and done that before? Freight dogging the breakfast of champions. Anyone can fly an airplane; freight dogs are in a class by themselves.

USA Jet was the finest DA-20 operator in the business. Our training programs were good enough to train anyone who had basic flying skills. USA Jet did all of its training under Part 121 N & O; the DA-20 had 5 weeks of full time ground school prior to starting sim training, which ran one week and 25 hours for F/O's. All DA-20 F/O's received 25 hours of supervised IOE prior to being released to line operations, we observe 100 min time in seat for pairing restrictions and in the past have turned down trips because of only low time pairs available. USA Jet had not hired a Captain off the street since 1998. We have had pilots go to major airlines and tell us, except for fancy bells and whistles, the USA Jet training was as good as they got at their major. DA-20 maintenance was conducted under Part 121, crews were not forced to fly what they considered unsafe airplanes, and a pilot could write up anything and put it in the logbook. We had been inspected many times by both the FAA and outside audit companies, they came away with the same findings: USA Jet was one of the finest operations they had ever seen. We did it right and stood by our standards which went well beyond that required by the FAR’s. While in full time ground school pilots were paid full pay of $35 K per year to start. We have program on track for 6-figure pay in 6 years for all Captains. 11 hard days off every monthly bid period. We established the policy of hard days off and gave the pilot the option of being flown home or getting additional pay for selling their days. No training contract was required, if you did not want to work for us, we would let you go. We had a very low turnover and the pilot who left went to better jobs. We have the highest guaranteed pay of any on-demand operator flying DA-20 sized equipment. We introduced more days off, increased pay, and hard days off to the on-demand industry. Our completion had to match us in order to attract pilots. We raised the bar.

 

[bizicmo]

Companies with pilots on furlough or about to be furloughed, AA, UAL, USAir, AE, Comair, Mesa, pinnacle, Trans states, UPS, Evergreen, empire, Capital, ATI, Amerijet, Airnet and ABX. There may be more I just got tired of searching. Any shortage of the future will allow the pilots of today to finally get back to work. I would call it more of a recall boom then a hiring boom.