The Hiring Boom?

[AirplanesSuck]

http://www.usatoday.com/video/index...#/Demand+fast+growing+for+pilots/987203670001

 

[RedGuy]

Yeah I read that article in todays USA Today, sounds too me like the same BS that I've been hearing for the last 15 years from flight schools. That article was pretty bias since their only sources where Embry Riddle and Boeing, both who have intrest in projecting nice big figures for the future of aviation. When the wages and perks go up that's when we'll know we have a shortage.

 

[pilotyip]

It is going to [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]happen and it is going to happen with a boom. For every major pilot hired it creates 5-6 pilot jobs, one leaves a Atlas to go to Delta, one now leaves Com-Air to go to Atlas, and another leaves Ameristar to go to Com-Air, and then a guy leaves the 135 UPS nightly freight run to go to [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ameristar[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] and finally Joe CFI goes to 135 UPS feeder, that is a bunch of pilot jobs. We have lost 12 pilots in 6 months, that is a 40% annual turnover rate, we have not seen that in years
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[pilotgolfer]

It is going to [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]happen and it is going to happen with a boom. For every major pilot hired it creates 5-6 pilot jobs, one leaves a Atlas to go to Delta, one now leaves Com-Air to go to Atlas, and another leaves Ameristar to go to Com-Air, and then a guy leaves the 135 UPS nightly freight run to go to [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ameristar[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] and finally Joe CFI goes to 135 UPS feeder, that is a bunch of pilot jobs. We have lost 12 pilots in 6 months, that is a 40% annual turnover rate, we have not seen that in years
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Sorry...but it looks like only 2 jobs were created. The job at the major and the job @ Joe CFI's FBO. The rest is just shuffling people around who start over at the lowest payscale with or without benefits.

 

[pilotyip]

Sorry...but it looks like only 2 jobs were created. The job at the major and the job @ Joe CFI's FBO. The rest is just shuffling people around who start over at the lowest payscale with or without benefits.

but five jobs were created by the openings, combine this with growth and you have an unbelievible number of jobs, available. I look at 67, 77, 87, 97, and 2007 coming back

 

[kellwolf]

but five jobs were created by the openings, combine this with growth and you have an unbelievible number of jobs, available. I look at 67, 77, 87, 97, and 2007 coming back

I wouldn't say technically ANY of those jobs were "created" unless the major airline pilot job came about from growth. It allows some upward mobility and some shuffling. However, what happens if the job at Delta is filled by someone from Comair, and the guy from "Joe's CFI" fills the job at Comair? Kinda takes a lot of the others out of the fold. Even worse, what if Comair decides to NOT fill the vacant opening because their flight schedule is being reduced?

I'll believe a hiring boom the same time I believe anything in aviation: when I see it actually happening.

 

[daytona]

What a crock!!! Tell that to the Astar guys or the folks over at American or United. Pilots that have been out of work for years. Just another ploy by another flight school.

 

[pilotyip]

What a crock!!! Tell that to the Astar guys or the folks over at American or United. Pilots that have been out of work for years. Just another ploy by another flight school.

and pilots were out of work for years in the early 80's, but by 1988 they were so desparate that they started interviewing pilots who were past their 40th birthday. It going to happen again except in Spades. Just watch.

 

[daytona]

and pilots were out of work for years in the early 80's, but by 1988 they were so desparate that they started interviewing pilots who were past their 40th birthday. It going to happen again except in Spades. Just watch.

I hope so.

 

[thunderworm]

the company I work for has lost 50% of its pilots in the last year to other airlines that are hiring and pay better. I too hope this continues and maybe we can make something out of it in regards to improving pay and benefits, but I doubt it as all it will do is flood the profession with eager newbies that will want to pay for the right to work to get ahead.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

"I'm with the FAA and I'm here to help you"
"something something... hiring boom"
"It's your baby"

 

[staledog]

"I'm with the FAA and I'm here to help you"
"something something... hiring boom"
"It's your baby"

oh, I get it...things you should never believe!!!

I might sort of believe it though

 

[atpcliff]

but I doubt it as all it will do is flood the profession with eager newbies that will want to pay for the right to work to get ahead.

If they want to work for a -121 carrier, they will have to pay a LOT, as they will need an ATP (For foreign pilots: the same as the ATPL, and that is the FULL ATPL, not just the written).

It will be very expensive to go from 0 time to ATP, just to get a -121 job.

cliff
SYD

 

[CorpCaptain]

I like the way they cut to a SWA aircraft as the step to the airlines. They forgot to add that you need a shuttle and Lunar module landing to get a interview there.

 

[pilotyip]

I like the way they cut to a SWA aircraft as the step to the airlines. They forgot to add that you need a shuttle and Lunar module landing to get a interview there.

Just like 1978, the joke was to get an interview at AAL over age 30 you needed two logged lunar landings

 

[atpcliff]

Emirates just lowered their minimums (again), so that 50 seat RJ guys now qualify. The last time EK allowed small RJ guys to apply, was 2008, when regionals were hiring guys with less than 200 hours, and without a Commercial License.

So, when 2008-type hiring situation starts again, what will the regionals do when every new hire they need will have to have an ATP????

cliff
ANC

 

[pilotyip]

Emirates just lowered their minimums (again), so that 50 seat RJ guys now qualify. The last time EK allowed small RJ guys to apply, was 2008, when regionals were hiring guys with less than 200 hours, and without a Commercial License.

So, when 2008-type hiring situation starts again, what will the regionals do when every new hire they need will have to have an ATP????

cliff
ANC

Advanced training program will allowed reduced hours. The regionals will get approval to count time in the airplane with the GPU plugged in to count as flight time.

 

[kellwolf]

Just like 1978, the joke was to get an interview at AAL over age 30 you needed two logged lunar landings

Logged lunar landings? No problem! Can I borrow a pencil from someone?

 

[cynic]

The hiring boom is coming! Soon there will be a large number of very low paying crappy jobs at airlines, as a result, the airlines will find ways to get more people into what are still low paying crappy jobs.

There is a high demand for tomato pickers in GA but it does not follow that wages for that job have gone up

 

[G-force]

More plausible!!!!!!!

What a crock!!! Tell that to the Astar guys or the folks over at American or United. Pilots that have been out of work for years. Just another ploy by another flight school.

This sounds far more plausible than someone posting a thread saying there is going to be "a big hiring boom" in aviation!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh::laugh: