The future RJ?

[Hobit]

I agree 100% that giving in on any scope is bad but with that said, comparing a crj -100 to this ac is too much of a stretch. We are mostly military at Delta and trust me even the fighter pilots won't put a crj-100 and this ac in the same light. These two ac are in two totally different classes.

Agree to disagree I guess.

CRJ200 begets CRJ700 begets CRJ900 with two classes...where does it end?
Even the most ardent 'anti-scopers' gave it up last round.

To me they are both jets that wear the mainlines colors and the differences are transparent to people not in the industry.

 

[sayrejm]

I don't care what the engineers, builders or test data says, composite material does NOT belong in a commercial airliner. Take the 1965-1985 era of manufacturing and engineering as example and compare the following years as plastics and composites began to replace the stout and durable craftsmanship who's longevity far outlasts its current replacements. Think of your lawn mowers, vehicles, power tools etc and compare the amount of composites and plastics that have replaced the manufacturing process. Plastic is for weekend warriors not the professional operator. It will take years of trouble free and reliable service to convince me that cheap lightweight composite material will outlast the durability of aluminum.

Plastic is not composite material... composite material is stronger and more durable than metal, also less weight and less susceptible to fatigue cracking and corrosion. Well, at least thats what they taught me when I got my Masters in Aerospace Engineering. Aerospace grade CARBON composites is not the plastic you find on your chainsaw. If it was, your weed eaters would cost 5,000 bucks.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I know why you want them there I Fly. I hope you do not get your way. If you do, congrats enjoy it. It is not a feeder jet. It is a 3-2 config like the 9/88/90 It passes the sniff test as a mainline jet.

Our MEC is full of power brokers, but they are management are self preservationist first. That goes anywhere but mainline and ALPA will be gone, and management will have to deal with the devil they do not know. It is easier for all of the parties involved to keep the line where it is. Even management know that.

 

[Metro752]

I know why you want them there I Fly. I hope you do not get your way. If you do, congrats enjoy it. It is not a feeder jet. It is a 3-2 config like the 9/88/90 It passes the sniff test as a mainline jet.

Our MEC is full of power brokers, but they are management are self preservationist first. That goes anywhere but mainline and ALPA will be gone, and management will have to deal with the devil they do not know. It is easier for all of the parties involved to keep the line where it is. Even management know that.

Put the RJ Genie back in the bottle Mr. Delta Pilot. Get us all on one list or the race to the bottom will continue. I wonder if you have realized that!

Until then, I don't think anyone really gives two ********************s about what you have to say, or your frequent visits to take a ******************** in the regional section.

We gave your regional section locker to someone hired by GauxJets.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Put the RJ Genie back in the bottle Mr. Delta Pilot. Get us all on one list or the race to the bottom will continue. I wonder if you have realized that!

Until then, I don't think anyone really gives two ********************s about what you have to say, or your frequent visits to take a ******************** in the regional section.

We gave your regional section locker to someone hired by GauxJets.

Thank you for your valued input. That type of attitude makes people from both sides back in to their respective corners.

There are few guys that beleive what you state above, and I am one of them. However we get the flying to our list, is in the end good for all of us. Politics play a huge role here, just putting everyone on one list is great, and it would solve all of the issues, but with many regionals flying for multiple codes it is a lot more difficult that that.

Stopping the slide is step one.
Restoration is step two
This may include the WO carriers, but it takes more than just stating it should be done.

The easiest way to get you on a DAL or UAUA or AMR list is to get your company to quit flying for multiple brands. That works great for their bottom line, but does not work well for getting you on our list or their list.

 

[bvt1151]

That was a pretty cool airplane the first time it came out as an Embraer 170, I wonder if anyone else is working on a fake 170?

http://www.mrj-japan.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100

Sweet ideas, amazing what people think of when it has already be thought of.

The Embraer program was originally called the BRJ-X by Bombardier, from which the engineers left for Embraer when it was canceled. As a result, you had an eerily similar airframe produced by Embraer.

Of course the BRJ-X also had it's origins elsewehere with the Dornier 728 (of which I believe Bombardier bought the design)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Dornier_728_family

It's a copycat industry. The 170 is anything but original, nor is anything Boeing, Airbus, Bombardier, Tupolev, Illusyin, Comac, Mitsubishi, Lockheed, Douglas...the list goes on and on. There's copycatting in everything.

 

[bvt1151]

Agree to disagree I guess.

CRJ200 begets CRJ700 begets CRJ900 with two classes...where does it end?
Even the most ardent 'anti-scopers' gave it up last round.

To me they are both jets that wear the mainlines colors and the differences are transparent to people not in the industry.

The whole idea that scope is dictated by manufacturer, or by where engines are mounted, or by where the nosewheel is entirely a pilot-defined perception. If it is in fact the truth, we have nobody to blame but ourselves.

 

[wms]

This thread has taken an unexpected turn.

 

[BrickTop]

This thread has taken an unexpected turn.

Two words. FLIGHT INFO.

 

[suupah]

What is the seat pitch of currrent RJ's compared to this one?

 

[trip]

over 70 seats...over 80000 lbs. Over my dead body is that flown at some POS regional. F uck that!

day late and a dollar short pal

 

[Monster Buck]

Put the RJ Genie back in the bottle Mr. Delta Pilot. Get us all on one list or the race to the bottom will continue. I wonder if you have realized that!

Until then, I don't think anyone really gives two ********************s about what you have to say, or your frequent visits to take a ******************** in the regional section.

We gave your regional section locker to someone hired by GauxJets.

Do you listen to yourself? Get us all on one list!!!!!!!!!! Until then no gives two shats about what you have to say.....
You are on our regional boards......

Your a joke.

 

[Monster Buck]

It was this arbitrary "2 classes" mistake that got us to this point....An airplane is an airplane...Only EGO's divide airplanes into these "2 classes"...

Here are two Delta mainline airplanes from the past...Which class do they belong to Monster Buck?

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Delt...0193180/&sid=672ff939bf5fe15446096031c65b3e35

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Delt...0149727/&sid=06c004a7c0e4144d84c3805e0dec365f

Your right, there is no arguing with that idealistic view.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Your right, there is no arguing with that idealistic view.

So my view is "idealistic"? Why do you consider there to be different "classes" of airliners? Have those "classes" changed? If so....Why?

Which "class" did the two Delta planes shown in those pictures belong?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

So my view is "idealistic"? Why do you consider there to be different "classes" of airliners? Have those "classes" changed? If so....Why?

Which "class" did the two Delta planes shown in those pictures belong?

Joe, I do not care what airplane it is. It should be on the mainline list. That is an idealistic point of view and I know that. So were do I go. Do I got cry in the corner because a great many DAL pilots do not see it that way? No, What I do is find a way to make progress on this problem. The cat is out of the bag, and there are certain seat classes that will never be back at mainline in my life time. Knowing this fact starts the formation of a game plan.

I have no issue with One list, or what ever term dejour you want to use. What I do have an issue with is ignoring the historical precident of guys like you and I getting our start at a regional and then moving to the major. There are different income and career potentials with both lists. We can debate semantics all day about this, but the simple fact is that there is a defined flow to this. It would hold up in court.

For there to be anything that resembles true unity there would need to be a "prenup" that every DCI would merge their seniority lists by some way you all agree to, then get stapled to our list. You want protections, from guys like me that left. I get that, but you cannot have the flow one way and not the other. Those are details that can and would be worked out after the first few points I have made have been worked out.

The MEC guys here point out that the companies control the seniority list and not the union. This is true, so it will take a lot of work. As I pointed out working for multiple carriers does not help the cause. DAL pilots could not fly UAUA code. (make sense)

As for the jets, as far as I am concerned a turbo prop, jet or a piston jet that flies DAL passengers should be flown by DAL pilots. I would gladly fly a ATR in a DAL uniform with a DAL number. I could give two hoots about the size of the jet. Guess what? Most guys here are seeing it that way too. Even better when the ones that do not quite get it will sign on since they are to senior to worry about it.

In reality, I am sure we will have to cut across some weight barrier or seat barrier to note lift that will forever be outsource. It is way to premature to argue that since most people are still worried about the if.