The election - a real discussion

[Boeing747Driver]

More double talk and lies. Preaching DOH on one hand then worried about relative seniority if West Pilots go east.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHwxpm6tqK0

 

[Crzipilot]

boy oh boy....is there pride in these video clips???

 

[Boeing747Driver]

boy oh boy....is there pride in these video clips???

No but a bunch of Truth:beer:

 

[Wiskey Driver]

boy oh boy....is there pride in these video clips???

No what the world saw was one of your self appointed dictators state that no one ever said there was a cost neutral fix by usapa for the company. I think someone forgot to talk to their lawyer which makes the usapa crowd look like liers yet again!!

WD.

 

[PositiveRate]

2nd page of posts now and the normal fights are taking shape. What a waste.

What about all those mid-range East guys who would like a raise? What about the East pilots I've personally encountered who will be voting ALPA and claim there are many many like them who hate the drama and just want to move forward?

MK82man - maybe you're right...maybe it won't even be all that close.

I know our call center won't stop until it's verified that every last West pilot has voted....and there's no suggested donation either.

'Union' life under USAPA will be full of little *astericks* like *suggested donations, *assesments, *lawyers need to be paid, *we expected the company to be accomodating, *lawyers need to be paid, *we didn't expect the West pilots to organize against our strategy, *lawyers need to be paid, *the cost for ____ service is prohibitive due to lack of dues monies, *we're suing the West but need more money to do it, *assesments, *we still believe this out of context language supports are right to ____, contract negotiations are on hold but the *lawyers need to be paid, *seniority is like a crew meal, *we didn't think we needed a plan B, but the *lawyer needs more money to come up with one.

 

[ferlo]

Here is USAPA caught in a lie. Even if they win they are still losers. They removed the video from the USAPA website as damage control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YY4JOeFvXU

This is exactly why they are all considered scabs on the West. Trashing a union contract to steal something from the minority. No different than crossing a picket line.

 

[Crzipilot]

Not sure if I posted it, but I'm leary whenever I see a cut in the middle of a tape. It's been edited. The video came in, in the middle of the conversation, was cut out, and spliced back in. Yes there were cost neutral words in there. But show the whole conversation, was it saying that a reordering of the list would be a cost neutral way for the company to bring labor peace, which would be contained in the contract.

I didn't see the original video, so I don't know what was said etc....

 

[TWA Dude]

Crzpilot:

Though it's been spliced for watchability it's clear there's nothing that could be misinterpreted from being out of context. The whole thing is split into 15 parts now due to Youtube's limitations on length.

Of course, you're mind is already made up so additional facts won't matter. But it may very well matter to the thousands of Easties who don't post on message boards. Won't it be fun to see on April 17 how many yellow-lanyard-wearers voted ALPA?

 

[Crzipilot]

yes it will be fun. and my feeling is there are quite a few that are going to vote ALPA. During LOA 93 voting, there wasn't really anyone that was for that POS. yet it passed by 57%. With this vote, there are many that have voiced their position of being on the fence, and looking at what option is best going to suite them. Not so much, which way is best in the long run or the bigger picture of things (which none of us has crystal balls so we truely don't know which is the best avenue to take)

So your right, there's a good chance of ALPA staying and winning.....but none of us know until the 17th. If they stay, then I think neither side will get a contract for a very very very long time. If it's gone, then those guys better be putting something together to bring the two sides back together. It's obvious going to take a move off the hard liner of the east side towards the middle, and same with the west. Hopefully it can be done. I don't think it can be done with ALPA....

 

[PHXFLYR]

It may happen should ALPA prevail. I can guarentee you it won't happen with USAPA. So if you think that's the answer,you might want to think again.

PHXFLYR

 

[Crzipilot]

You say it won't happen???? I don't know. Of course if they come over and shove a list down your throat and say here....your stapled...TS.....of course it won't.

Now if someone was smart and sat down and came up with something else.....something the east snarled at, and something the west snarls at, but both can digest it.....now......would you say it won't work???

 

[PreContact]

Interesting videos from the PHX road show...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Ox95ZttPo&feature=related

 

[fyeo777]

All I can say after watching the PHX roadshow and the USAPA reps is you are about to go down a road with dire consequences for your group by disenfranchising the West Group. I can say for certain as an ALPA member that you are going to find it very difficult to get a jumpseat so prepare your commute accordingly. Of course anyone with an employee number starting with a "P" will always be welcome.

 

[PlaneDrvr]

All I can say after watching the PHX roadshow and the USAPA reps is you are about to go down a road with dire consequences for your group by disenfranchising the West Group. I can say for certain as an ALPA member that you are going to find it very difficult to get a jumpseat so prepare your commute accordingly. Of course anyone with an employee number starting with a "P" will always be welcome.

Well, don't have a dog in this fight, but it does seem like you have a nice "pro-union attitude."

Tell me, "as an ALPA member" do you offer jumpseats to 'SWAPA, APA, NPA, IPA and Teamster' members???? Do you deny jumpseats to pilots who don't belong to a union. Just wondering!

People who use the 'jumpseat' for "politics" or to 'make a statement' are truly A$$holes and make me sick. And, even though I am an ALPA member in good standing, please tell me your name and airline you work for, and I will Gladly NEVER ask you for a jumpseat. Don't want to be on a plane with the likes of you.

For what its worth!

DA

 

[PHXFLYR]

You say it won't happen???? I don't know. Of course if they come over and shove a list down your throat and say here....your stapled...TS.....of course it won't.

Now if someone was smart and sat down and came up with something else.....something the east snarled at, and something the west snarls at, but both can digest it.....now......would you say it won't work???

Problem is no one is smart enough to come up with something. Everytime we sat down with your counterparts from the east,it was they same old tired mantra. Fences with conditions and restrictions so you can capture all the growth that were created at as a result of your attrition with no agreement on how to address the staffing of the growth airplanes that were ordered post-merger. Let me ask you a question. and I guess this is directed more towards the pilots who managed to remain on the property and weren't furloughed like you were. . If this attrition based growth was so important to the east pilot group, where were you guys when we first sat down to hammer out an acceptable merger agreement among ourselves prior to the whole process moving to mediation and ultimatly binding arbitration ? Did you discuss this with your F/O or Capt reps? Bring it up with your Merger Commitee. Or were you still hung up on trying to achieve a DOH intergration to further feather your own nest at our expense? One last thing. If the roles were reversed and it was the America west pilot group asking the USAir pilot group for some relief from the Nicolau award I'm willing to give you a written guareentee that your MEC, along with ALPA national would have been more than happy to have told us to go pound sand...with glee. Sorry. No mulligans.

PHXFLYR