The Dreaded Training Contract

[AerroMatt]

So did you pay it, or did you go elsewhere?

 

[G-force]

The Story

So did you pay it, or did you go elsewhere?

Read my posts from July 2005,and you will see!!!

 

[G-force]

treatment of pilots

So did you pay it, or did you go elsewhere?

After what was mentioned in a previous posts about PFT and no mention of it in an interview,you don't really believe this is ethical treatment of pilots do you?????

What about firing pilots that interview with other companys(companys other than the one a pilot is currently employed with)??Would you consider this as ethical???? I certainly would not under any circumstances!!!!

What does this say about the ethics of mgmt that employs these tactics????
I believe most pilots would say not much!!!

 

[AerroMatt]

After what was mentioned in a previous posts about PFT and no mention of it in an interview,you don't really believe this is ethical treatment of pilots do you?????

I'm too busy this weekend to look up your old posts on the subject, but I certainly hope you laughed in their face and told them to take their job and stick it where the sun don't shine. I just asked because I didn't know, and you ended your story before you posted that piece of information.

What about firing pilots that interview with other companys(companys other than the one a pilot is currently employed with)??Would you consider this as ethical???? I certainly would not under any circumstances!!!!

What does this say about the ethics of mgmt that employs these tactics????
I believe most pilots would say not much!!!

Now where on earth did you pull this one out of? G-Spot, lay off the sauce please. It's a little early in the afternoon, don't you think?

I'm not about to defend management I've never met or worked for... I'm just answerable for my own flight dept. Doesn't sound ethical to me, but I wonder if that was the only transgression that led to the firing. Either way, you should never let mgmt know you are interviewing for another job as they'll generally take it personally, and if you haven't been the best employee they'll probably find a way to let you go. This is just common sense.

 

[G-force]

Knowing the facts

I'm too busy this weekend to look up your old posts on the subject, but I certainly hope you laughed in their face and told them to take their job and stick it where the sun don't shine. I just asked because I didn't know, and you ended your story before you posted that piece of information.



Now where on earth did you pull this one out of? G-Spot, lay off the sauce please. It's a little early in the afternoon, don't you think?

I'm not about to defend management I've never met or worked for... I'm just answerable for my own flight dept. Doesn't sound ethical to me, but I wonder if that was the only transgression that led to the firing. Either way, you should never let mgmt know you are interviewing for another job as they'll generally take it personally, and if you haven't been the best employee they'll probably find a way to let you go. This is just common sense.

Hey Dude,get UN-BUSY and read those posts,then you will see why I had to say the things that I said about SATSAir/Rhino Aviation(Look-up this thread).I was unhappy about being put under DURESS just so I could work.How would you feel in that situation,dude???

To answer your question,I made some remarks about desiring to fly turbine eqippment and wondering how a charter customer paying $400-$600 dollars /hour in SE piston aircraft is going to work in the long run as a viable business.(I do not think it can)Since I was overheard by spys at TACAir @ GMU(FBO employees),I got my walking papers.The spying part has been confirmed by other posters on this website!!!!

I should have enough facts to prove conspiracy,which might result in a litigation against those AH's at TACAir/Rhino Aviation/SATSAir

 

[AerroMatt]

...I was unhappy about being put under DURESS just so I could work.How would you feel in that situation,dude???

I'd be pissed off because I'd be walking out the door and have to put my CDL to work again until I found another flying job. That falls under the category, "Plan B / Always have an out!"

To answer your question,I made some remarks about desiring to fly turbine eqippment and wondering how a charter customer paying $400-$600 dollars /hour in SE piston aircraft is going to work in the long run as a viable business.(I do not think it can)

One should always be cautious about voicing reservations about one's employer. The public face (I'm so happy to work at this fantastic company!) is recommended as the only face you show to the public.

Since I was overheard by spys at TACAir @ GMU(FBO employees),I got my walking papers.The spying part has been confirmed by other posters on this website!!!!

I should have enough facts to prove conspiracy,which might result in a litigation against those AH's at TACAir/Rhino Aviation/SATSAir

Regrettable, but I think that falls under the category, "Biting the hand that feeds you." Chalk it up to experience and move on.

 

[Jpilot23]

how ironic, i just broke a plane at GMU last week, and the peeps at TACair were really good to me. When the plane broke it was late at night and some satsair guys were chillin out, they could fix ir or anything b/c they didn't carry those parts, but helpful.

Anyway just thought i'd chime in. oh yeah, the duress part, a friend of mine told me that training contracts don't hold up in court b/c it was signed under duress. that doesn't really help me b/c i didn't sign a TC i signed a promissory note.

Here's another question. does anyone here think that if someone makes you sign a promissory note for a set amount of money(for cost of training), then you go through training and it didn't cost that much, would you be entitled to the rest of the money. Or would it just be forgiven in court?

BTW on my deal, the training we did was all in house, and it was listed at $6000

 

[Andy Neill]

Here's another question. does anyone here think that if someone makes you sign a promissory note for a set amount of money(for cost of training), then you go through training and it didn't cost that much, would you be entitled to the rest of the money. Or would it just be forgiven in court?

BTW on my deal, the training we did was all in house, and it was listed at $6000

You MIGHT have an argument if the cost was "unconscionable" or so absurdly high as to defy logic. If someone sold you a Ford Escort for $100,000, you would have a case to get out of it.

In your case, could a customer get 11.4 hours of charter flight for $3000 or $6000 for that matter? Probably not. You would be hard pressed to argue unconscionability (let alone SAY it) if that was the case. Just because the training's marginal cost to the company may have been less than $6000 does not mean it was worth less than $6000 to you when you consider lost profit opportunities, etc.

Don't think you'd have much luck with this as your defense.

 

[G-force]

Promissory Notes

how ironic, i just broke a plane at GMU last week, and the peeps at TACair were really good to me. When the plane broke it was late at night and some satsair guys were chillin out, they could fix ir or anything b/c they didn't carry those parts, but helpful.

Anyway just thought i'd chime in. oh yeah, the duress part, a friend of mine told me that training contracts don't hold up in court b/c it was signed under duress. that doesn't really help me b/c i didn't sign a TC i signed a promissory note.

Here's another question. does anyone here think that if someone makes you sign a promissory note for a set amount of money(for cost of training), then you go through training and it didn't cost that much, would you be entitled to the rest of the money. Or would it just be forgiven in court?

BTW on my deal, the training we did was all in house, and it was listed at $6000

If I were you dude, I would consult an Attorney.The reason being is when you are dealing with persons of such LOW CHARACTER and UN-ETHICAL BUSINESS PRACTICES, it would save you alot of trouble down the road!!!