The DL TA

[rtmcfi]

I'll make a deal, I'll stop worrying about 50 seat rates if you stop blaming all your problems on the DMEC. If your problem is with ALPA national, I must say, I agree with you there, there needs to be changes. You see we (DL pilots) are not your enemies, much as you try to tell yourselves and everyone else!
Respectfully submitted,
737

737- This is your big mistake. You do need to worry about 50 seat rates. 50 leads to 70, leads to 90 and so on. Currently, SkyWest pays 50 seat rates to 70 seat pilots. If 90 seaters arrive, OO will fly those for the same rate, and others in the regionals will follow suit. If you watch 50, 70, and 90 seat payscales stagnate, you will sign your own furlough notice. 50 seaters have a tough time replacing a 73. 70 and 90 seaters can do this easily. You should be keeping your eye on 50 seat rates. What happens to the regionals does not occur in a vacuum. Pilots on all levels have their fate tied to one another, for better or worse.

Pilots a couple of generations ago did wonders for the profession, and made it a great career. Most pilots that are currently in their twilight years have dropped the ball horribly, and through selfishness, have hastened the destruction of the profession. It remains to be seen if those of us left can do anything to salvage what remains. If anything positive is to occur, it will only be through unity and selflessness. Regional pilots need to pull for mainline, and those fortunate enough to be at mainline need to support their regional brethren. Infighting and apathy are not our allies....

 

[~~~^~~~]

I submit your "bait" thread on the pass privilege debacle!

The recap was in the Roar from 44, which is a DAL LEC 44 publication funded with ALPA money. Can you get me a link to the Roar and I will post the exact quotes.

 

[benjakes]

737- This is your big mistake. You do need to worry about 50 seat rates. 50 leads to 70, leads to 90 and so on. Currently, SkyWest pays 50 seat rates to 70 seat pilots. If 90 seaters arrive, OO will fly those for the same rate, and others in the regionals Will follow suit. If you watch 50, 70, and 90 seat payscales stagnate, you will sign your own furlough notice. 50 seaters have a tough time replacing a 73. 70 and 90 seaters can do this easily. You should be keeping your eye on 50 seat rates. What happens to the regionals does not occur in a vacuum. Pilots on all levels have their fate tied to one another, for better or worse.

Pilots a couple of generations ago did wonders for the profession, and made it a great career. Most pilots that are currently in their twilight years have dropped the ball horribly, and through selfishness, have hastened the destruction of the profession. It remains to be seen if those of us left can do anything to salvage what remains. If anything positive is to occur, it will only be through unity and selflessness. Regional pilots need to pull for mainline, and those fortunate enough to be at mainline need to support their regional brethren. Infighting and apathy are not our allies....

You get it...... Why do so few others?

 

[WhatRUSmokinGL?]

No, I will continue to give my opinions forever. Get used to it dumba$$. Do like Dave Benjamin and put me on ignore if you don't like it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

And I'll continue to give mine as well MUNCH!!!!

Get used to it breath.

Don't like it? Ignore me.

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And if this isn't frigging (and yes, that's allowed) poetic justice? Guess what? YOU also get 2 days in the PB just like your friend General Lee- and for the same offense. I've called ahead and had the warden give you two adjoining cells so that you can chat. True Irony. You gotta love it!

 

[737 Pylt]

The recap was in the Roar from 44, which is a DAL LEC 44 publication funded with ALPA money. Can you get me a link to the Roar and I will post the exact quotes.

I'm not a member of council 44...I find it ironic that you printed it, and you can't seem to back it up. Typical, just more lies from you.
I can submit this however...

As many of you know, Delta, in particular our friends at LEC44 have been trying to wrestle pass benefits away from ASA employees. However, I think Delta's greed may have shifted the table.

Delta offered to renew my pass benefits for one year in exchange for $50, which I just paid. Sounds like an offer, an acceptance, for a legal purpose, amongst capable parties with valuable consideration exchanged - in other words a binding contract. Better yet, Delta is in bankputcy and this contract was negotiated after the petition.

Account Activation Confirmation PPR Number: 70XXXXXAll flight benefits are activated from 03/XX/06 until 03/XX/07.
Your account activation confirmation number is #00XXXXXXXX. Total Amount: USD 50.00Print this receipt for your records.

Oh you can bet I will save that reciept - General, don't worry, you can still bump me, that is, unless I'm using my S2's.

And of course your retract, if thats what you want to call it:

Well my bait caught 737 Pilot. But it is true, do you read the "Roar from 44?" They have published arguements in favor of taking pass benefits from ASA pilots, not just on mainline, but on ASA too. This publication is produced with contingency funds if I am not mistaken - in other words - a portion of my ALPA dues goes to publish another MEC's political arguements to take away my benefits - thanks ALPA.

Very few ASA employees are senior to anyone at Delta anyway, so the S3C matter is really a distinction without much of a difference. If we had priority on ASA flights, it probably would be an overall benefit to ASA employees - but the Delta guys would really get screwed, in particular those who commute.

Fins:
Roar 44 has a section in the back of their publication where pilots can post gripes, and there have been numerous "gripes" about ASA now going below DL employees on DL aircraft. I don't see what the issue is, you are NO longer a wholly owned subsidiary!
737

 

[jetfo]

And I'll continue to give mine as well MUNCH!!!!

Get used to it breath.

Don't like it? Ignore me.

Can't, can't, can't we just all get along?!?

Hey General, why didn't you repond to the idea of brand scope in previous posts?

 

[LanceAir]

So.....aside from this stimulating "debate".....has any info about the TA been released yet?

 

[Hobit]

Oh SNAP!!! Did GL get banned for something?
What happended?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Roar 44 has a section in the back of their publication where pilots can post gripes, and there have been numerous "gripes" about ASA now going below DL employees on DL aircraft. I don't see what the issue is, you are NO longer a wholly owned subsidiary!
737

So that makes it OK for my union dues to be used for the publication of persuasive arguements to take away my pay and working conditions? Pass benefits are benefits, which I view as part of my lousy compensation. Do you think ALPA would allow ASA's MEC to use contingency funds to slam the Delta pilots? Not just no, but hel1 no. If we dared to do such a thing the phone would ring with Herndon on the other line with threats to throw us into recievership.

And the issue is, Delta agreed to the deal and has even collected money for it. We perform the codeshare and our employees have had the right to enjoy pass benefits on DL code. They can not re-rig the system just because pilots decide that this is yet another issue where they can be superior to the guys who feed passengers into their airplanes.

Besides, there are just a mere handful of ASA employees that are senior to you and they rarely go anywhere. Like most of us, they dream about staying home on their days off. So I don't see what the issue is.

And - just because your MEC tried and was not sucessful at getting our pass benefits gutted does not mean that they never made the effort. Lets see how effective they were when this TA comes out....

 

[~~~^~~~]

Hey General, why didn't you repond to the idea of brand scope in previous posts?

He has. His position is the Delta pilots own all the brand and all the scope. ASA and Comair pilots serve at his MEC's pleasure the flying that they do not want to perform. What flying he wants to perform changes from day to day and if he gets shiny jet syndrome (he likes the E170 to 195) then the guys currently perfoming similar flying can just go find other better jobs.

Then he wonders why these guys who serve at his pleasure can't get better contracts. But all is well in the world when ASA and Comair flying goes to places like Chautauqua and Mesa because the Chautauqua and Mesa pilots have not been such a pain in his arse about demanding their representational rights from ALPA. The Chautaqua and Mesa guys just take their two year upgrades and say "Thanks General!" He likes recognition that he is the supreme being amongst other pilots who have "failed to get hired" at his airline.

 

[John Pennekamp]

General Lee, PLEASE vote no! STRIKE!!!

Lyin' LeBreque has been running around telling everyone that "ASA will be shut down for a couple of days at most". That's what he told our MEC.

Apparently, after you "strike" and DAL Inc. liquidates Delta Airlines, there will be no struck work. An RJ will fly to every city you used to serve until DAL Inc can start up a new LCC to serve your routes, or they are sold to another airline. Like United. Either way, feed will always be needed in ATL.

Really, there is debate whether you will be striking or quitting, since the NMB hasn't released you. The airlines are pretty sure you will be quitting. That also means no struck work.

So go ahead, shoot down the TA and thin the herd. We won't shed a tear. If you walk off the job and kill Delta airlines, the vacuum will be filled in weeks, not months.

And none of you will even get the coveted job at Home Depot since no one will want to hire someone who "starved their grandchildren" by killing Delta Airlines out of their own selfish greed and ego. You might have to mortgage that redneck Humvee golf cart you have.

 

[737 Pylt]

So that makes it OK for my union dues to be used for the publication of persuasive arguements to take away my pay and working conditions?

I don't know....Does it make it ok for my union dues to be used for the publising of rjdc updates on the ALPA national site for persuasive arguments to take away my money paid towards keeping my union in business??

Pass benefits are benefits, which I view as part of my lousy compensation. Do you think ALPA would allow ASA's MEC to use contingency funds to slam the Delta pilots? Not just no, but hel1 no. If we dared to do such a thing the phone would ring with Herndon on the other line with threats to throw us into recievership.

That's where you're wrong....You see, your rjdc is constatnly using the ALPA web board to post their vitrol ad nauseum!!! And I have yet to see where they have had one post removed by your pal JB or DF!

And the issue is, Delta agreed to the deal and has even collected money for it. We perform the codeshare and our employees have had the right to enjoy pass benefits on DL code. They can not re-rig the system just because pilots decide that this is yet another issue where they can be superior to the guys who feed passengers into their airplanes.

Again, that's where you DON"T get it....It is a privilege! You even said it. And again, you are no longer a WHOLLY owned subsidiary...Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend...You wanted away from this disfunctional family, and you got it. Now you go on the same priority as CHQ and Mesa and all the other non wholly owned feeders. You still have your privileges!

Besides, there are just a mere handful of ASA employees that are senior to you and they rarely go anywhere. Like most of us, they dream about staying home on their days off. So I don't see what the issue is.

Then why are you crying the loudest about it??

And - just because your MEC tried and was not sucessful at getting our pass benefits gutted does not mean that they never made the effort. Lets see how effective they were when this TA comes out....

Don't worry pal, that dog fight isn't over yet....I can assure you. Now go and take your place rightfully at the end of the line and quit your whining....It will be hysterical when some newbie at CHQ comes and bumps you out of a non rev seat!! Besides, shouldn't you be working on an industry update now??
737
Maybe when the pass issue is resolved, you can start yet another lawsuit!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Don't worry pal, that dog fight isn't over yet....I can assure you. Now go and take your place rightfully at the end of the line and quit your whining....It will be hysterical when some newbie at CHQ comes and bumps you out of a non rev seat!! Besides, shouldn't you be working on an industry update now??
737
Maybe when the pass issue is resolved, you can start yet another lawsuit!

Are you for real? Let me get this straight... you're hoping that ASA pass benefits are taken away? Why? What does it cost you?

And you expect us to support you in your labor dispute with DAL management?

I guess I could tell you in response "Now go and take your pay cut and quit your whining... I'll look real good in your 737 if you don't".

 

[737 Pylt]

Are you for real? Let me get this straight... you're hoping that ASA pass benefits are taken away? Why? What does it cost you

Re read the post John...I don't wish anyone's pass benefits taken away...ASA is no longer a wholly owned, their STATUS should now be BELOW DL mainline employees on MAINLINE flights, just as DL employees should go below ASA employees on ASA flights. They are no longer wholly owned.

And you expect us to support you in your labor dispute with DAL management?

You don't have to do anything you don't want to, that's what makes this country so great!

I guess I could tell you in response "Now go and take your pay cut and quit your whining... I'll look real good in your 737 if you don't".

It wouldn't surprise me, there are plenty of folks waiting to fly a 737 for lesser pay, just ask d'angelo! Besides, I don't fly the 737 any more.
737

 

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That's where you're wrong....You see, your rjdc is constatnly using the ALPA web board to post their vitrol ad nauseum!!! And I have yet to see where they have had one post removed by your pal JB or DF!

Maybe when the pass issue is resolved, you can start yet another lawsuit!

Dan Ford is trying to fix what is wrong with ALPA - so our careers are not harmed by just the sort of activity going on at Mesaba and COEX. ALPA needs fixing, even you agree on that point. New ideas and dissent are how things get fixed - so arguing union business on a union board is appropriate use of those resources.

I don't even look at the ALPA board since a few Delta pilots (including a status rep) started sending me e-mail threats about IRS audits and the well being of my family while I was out of town. Given that the origin of these e-mails was easy to determine, the whole incident did not worry me too much. But, no one has time for personal attacks. ALPA is what needs repair and individuals are not the issue, the conduct of our union is the issue.

I have no desire to fly 737's, particularly your 737's. For starters, I earn more money where I am at right now. Second, if I was interested in 737's I would be knocking on Airtran's doors, not yours.