The Cleveland Spin Machine

[TexasChallenger]

Read it for yourself here:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/816/937/190/flexjet-pilots-want-to-be-heard/

 

[Bjtdrvr]

The majority of those don't even show their names.

 

[TexasChallenger]

The majority of those don't even show their names.

The petition directs them not to. When the first petition went out (this is the second) they all claimed on Yammer that the posters were put on a scab list because of some comments on here. If you're going to take a stand, attach your name to it. Cowards.

 

[shanes123]

Wow. Well enough of them have put their names on it and the other cowards can be easily figured out. Pretty much what we already knew Low life POS. Everyone one of them.

 

[1folinepilot]

The majority of those don't even show their names.

That is because it is mostlty the same 3 or 4 FOK scabs grovelling for attention from Kenn. They are simply going around the nation signing from different FBO and hotel computers trying to give the apearance of support when in reality they have none for their backdoor backstab petition. Without a verified signature, it means nothing!

 

[shanes123]

If you look at it one was from Ukraine and the other South Africa. That's why they dress like clowns. Cause they are clowns

 

[Imissmypilot]

if you read the comments it is abundantly clear these guys do not know what is going on and simply believe management's threats as evidenced by letters like the recent one from JW.

Absolutely every comment is addressing a concern management has created. Remember our union wanted to write a new contract. The only reason it is where it is now is because the company forced it. And the timeline? I believe that will become crystal clear when we see the company yet again stall and muddy when it's time for a completely redrawn CBA.

I hope the arbritrator realizes the only way to compel Ricci to actually negotiate the new CBA is to err on the side of the pilots in this round or else we will be stuck with this bandage for years.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

That petition looks just like an a$$kissing contest. Don't those pilots have ANY self-respect?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Read it for yourself here:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/816/...really is good at one thing-targeting people.

 

[doh]

FW is a gutless, cowardly, backstabbing liar. Do not turn your back on him. He is evil.

 

[el raton]

FW is a gutless, cowardly, backstabbing liar. Do not turn your back on him. He is evil.

Why? What did he do? Do you say this because he opposes the union?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Hi El. On the Options side, we got an email from JW claiming the company could have folded the Flex pilots into the Options CBA. Is that what he told the Flex pilots? Anyway, two Options pilots went to the arbitration to see for themselves what was going on. The company said they were going to discuss confidential information, so the pilots could not stay. The company went on to propose Flex pilots loose parking because the Options pilots don't have it. The company went on to propose Flex pilots loose loss of license insurance because the Options pilots don't have it. Then they proposed no OT,because the Options pilots don't have it. JW what happened to no Flex pilot losing anything?

 

[doh]

Why? What did he do? Do you say this because he opposes the union?

No, for what he tried (but failed) to do to me personally. That is far outside the bounds of union/anti union sentiment.

 

[Honorstudent]

I heard FW told some Flt Options Pilots he wanted to throat punch VF and several of Flex PLC members. I guess the 3 fundamental principals only apply to Individuals the company wants it to. Certainly doesn't apply to BS who used to be over HR! FW better be careful making such threats, someone is liable to call him out on it.

 

[Imissmypilot]

Hi El. On the Options side, we got an email from JW claiming the company could have folded the Flex pilots into the Options CBA. Is that what he told the Flex pilots?
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JW what happened to no Flex pilot losing anything?

Cabbie it goes beyond that, deeper than Flex pilots losing anything.

Even though our election was over 18 months ago, even though we have been in "negotiations" for 16 months and arbtration for 7, we still have no Weingarten rights.

i cannot find another instance where an employee group has waited even a fraction of this long for rights. It's usually one of the first things signed.

What is uncle so scared of? That maybe Flex pilots might actually feel safe to stand up to the ass reaming we are getting every day?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

So sad. This place talks a good game, but in reality, the treatment some pilots' get borders on the insane. I recently talked to one of the pilots that left and he had an interesting store to tell me. When his new boss asked about the disciplinary letter in his PRIA records, he told them the truth. The new boss couldn't understand why they would be so vindictive.

 

[TexasChallenger]

I just heard today that the Global guys received a $20,000 pay raise. Not a bonus, but a raise. Anyone else hear this?

 

[Honorstudent]

Yes I heard the same thing, Still below industry standard for a Global Captain.

 

[1folinepilot]

Did you listen to todays weekly message? Management is bragging about all of the new deliveries the company is taking and RH will be contacting the Flex crews to assign class dates for them as soon as possible. The exact same thing 2N did to the Travel Air pilots during the first merge when he displaced all of them then quickly filled all the open seats with Junior Options guys. This is one of Mgt"s last ditch efforts to further screw the Options pilots out of any chance of an upgrade before the final arbitration ruling takes effect. What a great way to treat the employees that helped 2N build his empire.

 

[jetwash]

I just heard today that the Global guys received a $20,000 pay raise. Not a bonus, but a raise. Anyone else hear this?

I hope the arbitrator hears about this and how it seems money is no problem and Flex jet can afford big raises.