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He'll be there awhile. Inspite of what you may think of his performance, it's exactly what Skywest, Inc. wants of him. He's doing their dirty work and taking the heat and he's being rewarded big time by Skywest, Inc. I don't think he cares what you all think of him. He's getting richer by the day. He's going to turn out to be the Ornstein of ASA.
 
I agree. Skywest wants our operation to melt down. Why else would he not be gone by now? It makes no sense. He is doing as they want him to.
 
79%N1 said:
I agree. Skywest wants our operation to melt down. Why else would he not be gone by now? It makes no sense. He is doing as they want him to.
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Odd you would say that. If Skywetst wants a meltdown, why has the ramp gotten consistently better. They only service ASA now so it would not affect anyone else. Additionally, the on time performance has gotten better and better as has the number of lost bags. If Skywest truly wants a melt down, they had better get rid of BL because it looks to be going the opposite direction.
 
Really, to the average line pilot, what does it matter?

I mean this in that I really don't feel that Labreque (sp?) or anyone else that might occupy his position has any real animosity, or respect, for that matter, for the line pilot. It's just not part of the job description in today's market place. He is doing the job that he is paid to do, in the rules (some written, some not) of the current airline industry.

What would make all of our lives as pilots better would be to change some of those rules.

First things first, pilots should not EVER undercut other pilots. A far-fetched idea, I know. Sooo, nationally, we should have a stronger organizing force for ALL segments of the pilot labor pool, not just the large airplanes that fly over water, and not just for the most senior members of the respective lists.

This is only going to come from within. It can not be forced upon us.

Also, a recognition that what is best for the pilot community might not be what is best for the airline industry has to be made.
 
I swear he read this post before writing up his weekly update memo. It was filled with his argument that the changes he's put in place are really bringing this airline around. There was also a statement something like "I will lead this company into the future and continue...."

I feel bad for the guy. I don't like him from the experiences I've had conversing with him, but maybe he's starting to realize that he and his management team are driving this airline to it's demise. Unless SKYW is really intending to let this airline fail it seems inevitable that they eventually get rid of all of our woerthless management.
 
It's all a waiting game anyway for Sky West. Stall the contract until ALPA quits trying to organize. ( Which will fail, because the guys with less than 5 years there are afraid of a possible merged list with ASA.)

Jerry bought gates, airplanes, and the right to provide service. Now he just has to wait out the union to strip this company of it's employees. He'll give ASA pilots a good contract. Then he'll transfer ASA brick by brick until we are a shadow of yesterday. The few remaining folks left will be given pref. interviews with Sky West.

Is there a way to stop it? Think the answer is SCOPE? Get Real.

Have I given up? Yep. Second airline, same game and I wished I'd gone to Mesa, Chit taco, enter contract regional airline with weak contract here, 7 years ago.

The mainline alpa guys are going to be the first to jump my chit about this post. (way to hold the line the last 5 years). The next will be the 6 month upgrade that thinks he paid his dues and explain that his contract isn't as bad as most think.


Flame away. ..I..
 
jegermeister said:
It's all a waiting game anyway for Sky West. Stall the contract until ALPA quits trying to organize. ( Which will fail, because the guys with less than 5 years there are afraid of a possible merged list with ASA.)

Jerry bought gates, airplanes, and the right to provide service. Now he just has to wait out the union to strip this company of it's employees. He'll give ASA pilots a good contract. Then he'll transfer ASA brick by brick until we are a shadow of yesterday. The few remaining folks left will be given pref. interviews with Sky West.

Is there a way to stop it? Think the answer is SCOPE? Get Real.

Have I given up? Yep. Second airline, same game and I wished I'd gone to Mesa, Chit taco, enter contract regional airline with weak contract here, 7 years ago.

The mainline alpa guys are going to be the first to jump my chit about this post. (way to hold the line the last 5 years). The next will be the 6 month upgrade that thinks he paid his dues and explain that his contract isn't as bad as most think.


Flame away. ..I..
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Once again jeger... very well said. The ALPA cheerleader section would do well to listen to people like you who have seen this movie play out at other ALPA properties. This must be like the movie "Groundhog Day" for you. Many ALPA properties have seen this same thing in the past, and now ASA and PNCL are seeing it again... Will ALPA learn from it's past mistakes..... probably not......
 
jegermeister said:
Jerry bought gates, airplanes, and the right to provide service. Now he just has to wait out the union to strip this company of it's employees. He'll give ASA pilots a good contract. Then he'll transfer ASA brick by brick until we are a shadow of yesterday. The few remaining folks left will be given pref. interviews with Sky West.

Is there a way to stop it? Think the answer is SCOPE? Get Real.
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The ASA ALPA proposal on scope has a provision that ANY aircraft transfered from ASA to SKYW must include pilots, fairly integrated. I would hope that a TA will not be reached without this provision, as I believe that this is the most important thing that we could achieve, especially given the history of SKYW management.
 
sweptback said:
The ASA ALPA proposal on scope has a provision that ANY aircraft transfered from ASA to SKYW must include pilots, fairly integrated. I would hope that a TA will not be reached without this provision, as I believe that this is the most important thing that we could achieve, especially given the history of SKYW management.
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Sweptback,

When I queried the CNC during the conference call, they said that would only kick in AFTER 15% of our block hours had been transferred and that after that, the only requirement was to take the pilots with the aircraft. THAT ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH! Future deliveries, and 15% could be transferred penalty free - after that the only requirement is to take the pilots with the aircraft. Full seniority and longevity is not guaranteed. Again, NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Why aren't we demanding a SINGLE LIST? It is attainable - it was achieved on other properties including fellow DCI carriers Mesa and CHQ.

Jegermeister once worked under the best regional contract EVER - Allegheny. They lost out in the portfolio whipsaw. Listen to those who have been down this road before.......
 
jegermeister said:
It's all a waiting game anyway for Sky West. Stall the contract until ALPA quits trying to organize. ( Which will fail, because the guys with less than 5 years there are afraid of a possible merged list with ASA.)

Jerry bought gates, airplanes, and the right to provide service. Now he just has to wait out the union to strip this company of it's employees. He'll give ASA pilots a good contract. Then he'll transfer ASA brick by brick until we are a shadow of yesterday. The few remaining folks left will be given pref. interviews with Sky West.

Is there a way to stop it? Think the answer is SCOPE? Get Real.

Have I given up? Yep. Second airline, same game and I wished I'd gone to Mesa, Chit taco, enter contract regional airline with weak contract here, 7 years ago.

The mainline alpa guys are going to be the first to jump my chit about this post. (way to hold the line the last 5 years). The next will be the 6 month upgrade that thinks he paid his dues and explain that his contract isn't as bad as most think.


Flame away. ..I..
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Don't let the door hit you in the keister on the way out! Everyone else that wants another job is leaving.
 
JoeMerchant said:
Sweptback,

When I queried the CNC during the conference call, they said that would only kick in AFTER 15% of our block hours had been transferred and that after that, the only requirement was to take the pilots with the aircraft. THAT ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH! Future deliveries, and 15% could be transferred penalty free - after that the only requirement is to take the pilots with the aircraft. Full seniority and longevity is not guaranteed. Again, NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Why aren't we demanding a SINGLE LIST? It is attainable - it was achieved on other properties including fellow DCI carriers Mesa and CHQ.

Jegermeister once worked under the best regional contract EVER - Allegheny. They lost out in the portfolio whipsaw. Listen to those who have been down this road before.......
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Let's see.....! All these things you are suggesting would probably only be attainable if the ASA pilots, including yourself, were willing to strike. You could only come to one LEC meeting in 3 years, never showed up for picketing, never showed up for any family awareness event, have constantly criticized the CNC because you were not selected, have constantly criticized and attempted to undermine a popular MEC that has worked hard for this pilot group, and you are expecting someone to believe that you would stand firm for one list? You are not one of us and only have your personal agenda and interest in mind. You want to be a pundit, but don't have the discipline or drive to fulfill the duties that you accepted when you ran for office. The world is full of sayers, but too few doers!

Let's see.....! You are a self proclaimed rebel. Observation shows that all you do figuratively is "yell, scream, alienate, and shoot your gun in the air." You always have better ideas, but you don't take action to make the change. You had a chance to participate in the governing process, and chose to try to make a mockery of the process by abandoning your job for you own selfish reasons. You ran for the position, barely won, and then irresponsibly turned your back on the pilots that took the time to vote for you. I was one of those whose vote you wasted!

You had your chance to earn some respect, show some leadership and to put your ideas into action! You failed by choice! In fact, you didn't even try! You have no excuse! In sports, the game is won by the players on the field, not the spectators in the stands. Likewise, change in institutions come through leadership from within, not by QUITTERS sitting on the sidelines!
 
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Speedtape said:
Let's see.....! All these things you are suggesting would probably only be attainable if the ASA pilots, including yourself, were willing to strike. You could only come to one LEC meeting in 3 years, never showed up for picketing, never showed up for any family awareness event, have constantly criticized the CNC because you were not selected, have constantly criticized and attempted to undermine a popular MEC that has worked hard for this pilot group, and you are expecting someone to believe that you would stand firm for one list? You are not one of us and only have your personal agenda and interest in mind. You want to be a pundit, but don't have the discipline or drive to fulfill the duties that you accepted when you ran for office. The world is full of sayers, but too few doers!

Let's see.....! You are a self proclaimed rebel. Observation shows that all you do figuratively is "yell, scream, alienate, and shoot your gun in the air." You always have better ideas, but you don't take action to make the change. You had a chance to participate in the governing process, and chose to try to make a mockery of the process by abandoning your job for you own selfish reasons. You ran for the position, barely won, and then irresponsibly turned your back on the pilots that took the time to vote for you. I was one of those whose vote you wasted!

You had your chance to earn some respect, show some leadership and to put your ideas into action! You failed by choice! In fact, you didn't even try! You have no excuse! In sports, the game is won by the players on the field, not the spectators in the stands. Likewise, change in institutions come through leadership from within, not by QUITTERS sitting on the sidelines!
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Well said Speed. Sorry John, I agree with all Speed stated, and I also voted for you and am extremely disappointed in your performance in the job you were elected for, and attempts to "steal" the MEC back recently.

Hoser
 
JoeMerchant said:
Sweptback,

When I queried the CNC during the conference call, they said that would only kick in AFTER 15% of our block hours had been transferred and that after that, the only requirement was to take the pilots with the aircraft. THAT ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH! Future deliveries, and 15% could be transferred penalty free - after that the only requirement is to take the pilots with the aircraft. Full seniority and longevity is not guaranteed. Again, NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Why aren't we demanding a SINGLE LIST? It is attainable - it was achieved on other properties including fellow DCI carriers Mesa and CHQ.

Jegermeister once worked under the best regional contract EVER - Allegheny. They lost out in the portfolio whipsaw. Listen to those who have been down this road before.......
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This is ALPA's position on scope with respect to aircraft transfers. I am quoting this from the open issues document prepared by the CNC:

1. If the Company transfers or disposes aircraft to:
- non SKW carriers (sufficient to trigger a percentage of block hours)
- SKW Inc. carriers (triggered by the first aircraft.)
2. Discuss what the transferee must do and when regarding employment to pilots from our seniority list. The number of pilots transferred will be based on a specific number (“x”) of pilots per aircraft transferred.
3. Seniority integration of transferred pilots per Sections 2, 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk LPP’s or ALPA merger policy as applicable.

So, as you can see, the first aircraft transfered from ASA to SKW means that pilots must go with it. If an aircraft is transfered from ASA to a non-SKW carrier (like, say CMR), then a certain provision must be maintained in order to reach the trigger point. This is to ensure that the company has the necessary wiggle room to effectively run their business, and to sell/transfer/lease aircraft to maximize their profit. However, if they try to sell off ASA assets in large chunks then our pilots need to follow the airplanes!

When you think about this, ASA pilots are in effect negotiating the seniority rules for SkyWest pilots when it comes to aircraft being transferred. I believe that all SkyWest pilots need to pay attention to this as it could very well affect their jobs at some point. It's no surprise that ASA management would agree to the provision to transfer to non-SKW carriers, but not agree to the SKW transfer provision.
 
sweptback said:
This is ALPA's position on scope with respect to aircraft transfers. I am quoting this from the open issues document prepared by the CNC:

1. If the Company transfers or disposes aircraft to:
- non SKW carriers (sufficient to trigger a percentage of block hours)
- SKW Inc. carriers (triggered by the first aircraft.)
2. Discuss what the transferee must do and when regarding employment to pilots from our seniority list. The number of pilots transferred will be based on a specific number (“x”) of pilots per aircraft transferred.
3. Seniority integration of transferred pilots per Sections 2, 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk LPP’s or ALPA merger policy as applicable.

So, as you can see, the first aircraft transfered from ASA to SKW means that pilots must go with it. If an aircraft is transfered from ASA to a non-SKW carrier (like, say CMR), then a certain provision must be maintained in order to reach the trigger point. This is to ensure that the company has the necessary wiggle room to effectively run their business, and to sell/transfer/lease aircraft to maximize their profit. However, if they try to sell off ASA assets in large chunks then our pilots need to follow the airplanes!

When you think about this, ASA pilots are in effect negotiating the seniority rules for SkyWest pilots when it comes to aircraft being transferred. I believe that all SkyWest pilots need to pay attention to this as it could very well affect their jobs at some point. It's no surprise that ASA management would agree to the provision to transfer to non-SKW carriers, but not agree to the SKW transfer provision.
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When you think about it, ASA pilots are going to look out for ASA pilots. If Skywest pilots are worried, they need to be as they have no representation. They just may have to learn the hard way. They don't want to pay dues, but in the end it will cost them more since they have no representation. Some just have to learn the hard way.
 
sweptback said:
The ASA ALPA proposal on scope has a provision that ANY aircraft transfered from ASA to SKYW must include pilots, fairly integrated. I would hope that a TA will not be reached without this provision, as I believe that this is the most important thing that we could achieve, especially given the history of SKYW management.
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It's going to be too easy for Jerry to get around that provision. Here's just one way...

SkyWest Inc. cites ASA's poor performance/high costs and returns x amount of airplanes to GECAS. SkyWest then bids on a RFP behind closed doors and is awarded the flying. SkyWest then makes a deal with GECAS to fly the same airplanes ASA just gave back. SkyWest grows/ ASA shrinks. Just like now.

Scope is a great idea without loop holes. The problem is negotiating a iron clad scope.

Our best bet at ASA is to mend the relationship with Jerry. At the end of the day his interests are in SkyWest. That's his baby. Any action perceived to threaten his baby will be dealt with. Even if it doesn't make financial sense. He's already gotten his intial investment back, everthing else is just gravy.



P.S. I thank our MEC and CNC for their efforts. They are being torn in several directions.
1. Our pilot groups best interest
2. ALPA Nationals best interest
3. The comany itself

As an after thought, I don't think anyone has hard feelings for the captain of the Titanic.
 

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