Bob,
ZiegenBock doesnt taste bad. But the tacky commercials that they ran putting down Shiner a few years back put me off ZiegenBock for ever.
Also I am not sure if this point has been made yet, but do people really like Guinness or Heinikin (sp?) or are they just saying that they like them to sound cool. OK if you grew up with it may be I can understand, but I know that the 21 year old ordering that goo is only doing because he thinks hw will look cool resisting his gag reflex as he chokes the stuff down.
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