The ALPA brand scope debate

[AV8700]

Flycomairjets,

Varmint,

Thanks for clearing this up for Afellowaviator. He needs reminding often. We are still very thankful to you guys for helping our guys IN NEED, and you will be remembered.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Oh please!!!!!!!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you almighty one.

Both groups did the exact same thing, NOTHING. We did not object to ASA's hiring practices and Comair pilots didn't object to theirs. If you want to get upset with somebody take a good look in the mirror.

 

[General Lee]

AV8700,


What? You sound stupid. You think it is the same for groups "not to say something" when one doesn't disagree with the hiring of people in need, and the others say nothing when people need help and the management turns their head? Totally different. Were you a Nazi in your former life? I thought so. Nice mustache.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FlyComAirJets]

Simple questions for the General

Since it is your belief that the MEC is at least in part responsible for the hiring of pilots at their respective airline, why didn't the Delta MEC immediately recognize that after 9/11 and approach the Comair MEC? And why didn't he continue to press the issue?

 

[Tim47SIP]

Two side to the story!

I work here and I have never heard that. Is it possible sure, but to say that the mec pushed for the hiring of furloughed Delta pilots is wrong.


Well so do I and some were asked what we thought of it. Although not everyone was asked, several were. The ATL LEC asked a group of us in the ATL lounge what we thought and not one objected. He stated that the MEC was going to talk to Skip about hiring the furloughs. To simply state that it was a mangement decision is wrong. Give credit where credit is due.

 

[General Lee]

Flycomairjets,


Everyone else's testimonials is really killing you. You are being made to look like the bad guy. Everyone else, like Tim47SIP, actually saw the situation for what it was, to help the guys in need. No one in that ATL crew lounge objected supposedly, and that was nice of them. But, I haven't seen one instance of that type of altruism from any of the Comair people, especially their MEC.


To answer your question, I don't know why our MEC didn't recognize this problem immediately after 9-11. Maybe they didn't know how long this down turn was going to last. I think a lot of people were confused and shocked after 9-11. People were getting called up to go fight in Afghanistan, things were up in the air. We parked some Express 737s right away because we furloughed our bottom 400 guys Nov 1st, 2001, and there were no more co-pilots to fly those planes. I think our MEC was trying to figure out what Leo and Fred's plans were. To think that they would go over and "demand" something from the Comair MEC sounds a little fishy. Could they have asked for help and then been subjected to demands from the Comair people? That sounds more plausible to me. The fact remains that the ASA people didn't flinch when asked whether or not helping our furloughs was the "right thing to do." The Comair people just figured that out, three years too late. That will be remembered. I hope I finally answered your questions......


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FlyComAirJets]

Thanks for answering in your unique way. Perhaps your MEC should have read Flightinfo, I recall several polls speculating on the duration of the furloughs. I doubt the furloughees will find much comfort that their MEC has been "confused and shocked" for the past three years.

That you can only conjecture the circumstances of the Delta MEC's actions post-9/11 just highlights how uncommunicative they are. If you want to only believe the very worst of Comair pilots, that is certainly your right. but it would not be accurate.

It is my contention that the hiring decsion is and always has been, management's call. Case in point is at your company a decade ago. Although the Delta MEC came out in favor of hiring Eastern pilots, only a tiny amount actually were.

But now the situation has changed. Per your new agreement, additional 70 seat aircraft stipulate the "preferential" hiring of furloughed Delta pilots. The CMR MEC has come out in support. Now the ball is in management's court. If they want more planes, they will have to change their policy.

And then maybe we can find out what "brand scope" really means.

 

[737 Pylt]

Nice spin

I doubt the furloughees will find much comfort that their MEC has been "confused and shocked" for the past three years.

That's not what he stated, however it does make for a nice spin! He said post 9/11.

That you can only conjecture the circumstances of the Delta MEC's actions post-9/11 just highlights how uncommunicative they are.

Again, nice try at a spin. The DMEC was quite communicative post 9/11, however they, nor nobody else knew how many pilots management was going to furlough.

If you want to only believe the very worst of Comair pilots, that is certainly your right. but it would not be accurate.

Ok, if you insist. If the shoe fits!

It is my contention that the hiring decsion is and always has been, management's call. Case in point is at your company a decade ago. Although the Delta MEC came out in favor of hiring Eastern pilots, only a tiny amount actually were.

Nobody's saying it wasn't management's call, what we're saying is you guys didn't even offer support, on the contrary, you guys threatened to "burn the house down."

But now the situation has changed. Per your new agreement, additional 70 seat aircraft

You're welcome!

stipulate the "preferential" hiring of furloughed Delta pilots.

Too late, no thanks! I'd bet our furloughees feel the same way

The CMR MEC has come out in support.

Again, you're too late!

Now the ball is in management's court. If they want more planes, they will have to change their policy.

If they want more planes, they'll go to the lowest bidder. Except the 25%. Oh, yeah, you're welcome again!

And then maybe we can find out what "brand scope" really means.

What does it matter, you'll find some kind of an rjdc spin to put on it!
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