"The 27" at Colgan

[ReverseSensing]

Yes, take a look at it. The work rules suck compared to recent ALPA regional agreements.

Could you elaborate? I somehow doubt it.

Here's a hypothetical that will illuminate your very obvious biases for us:

Would you rather have someone represented by the IBT or not at all?

 

[sweptback]

Horizon, UPS, NetJets, SWA, and APA are four examples of great contracts not negotiated by ALPA.

I don't disagree with your statement, however, I think the American pilots would disagree with your characterization of their contract as "great".

 

[CopilotDoug]

Noted, SweptBack. I'll tone it down and say they are examples of Good Contracts

 

[DX Rick]

That is exactly what Colgan DOES NOT HAVE. Thus the requirement of a union.

Now go suck off your CEO.

We can always make the argument that todays Colgan pilots knew what they were getting into when they applied there.
It's no secret that the Colgan abuse their pilots. But hey, it's good enough to apply and go work there. But all the of the sudden, now we're going to piss and moan that we're being abused.

I applied there. The half retarded drunken monkey in the HR department couldn't get her act together, and sent my plane ticket to 2 wrong locations. First she sent it to Chicago to my parents house....when I was living in Lake Havasu, AZ and then she sent it to some guy with the same last name in PHX.

 

[flynryan15]

We can always make the argument that todays Colgan pilots knew what they were getting into when they applied there.
It's no secret that the Colgan abuse their pilots. But hey, it's good enough to apply and go work there. But all the of the sudden, now we're going to piss and moan that we're being abused.

I applied there. The half retarded drunken monkey in the HR department couldn't get her act together, and sent my plane ticket to 2 wrong locations. First she sent it to Chicago to my parents house....when I was living in Lake Havasu, AZ and then she sent it to some guy with the same last name in PHX.

That is kinda harsh!!! The gal in HR is the only bright spot in that hiring flea circus:laugh:

 

[DX Rick]

That is kinda harsh!!! The gal in HR is the only bright spot in that hiring flea circus:laugh:

This was a couple of years ago.
I really wanted to go to Colgan because this is when the rumors of a Chicago base were floating around, plus I like the Saab.
But her constant incompetence of getting me a ticket for an interview made me think that the rest of the airline was just as messed up.
I have friends who interviewed there and said that the Colgans we're complete pricks through out the whole process. Including one Colgan starting the interview, getting bored and just walking out in the middle, leaving the applicant with the HR rep to finish off the questions. He was offered the job, but chose another airline.
If you can't see this crap during the application and interviewing procress, maybe you deserve to be abused while working for them.

 

[flynryan15]

This was a couple of years ago.
I really wanted to go to Colgan because this is when the rumors of a Chicago base were floating around, plus I like the Saab.
But her constant incompetence of getting me a ticket for an interview made me think that the rest of the airline was just as messed up.
I have friends who interviewed there and said that the Colgans we're complete pricks through out the whole process. Including one Colgan starting the interview, getting bored and just walking out in the middle, leaving the applicant with the HR rep to finish off the questions. He was offered the job, but chose another airline.
If you can't see this crap during the application and interviewing procress, maybe you deserve to be abused while working for them.

I couldn't agree more!!! My experience with the Colgan's was laughable!!! Their personal hygiene is disgusting and that is putting it nice. That is what did it for me I figured if that is how they present themselves I want no part of the companyuke:

 

[Snaab]

Say what you want, Colgan is not perfect, but in less than 4 years, I have two type ratings, 1200+ turbine PIC, and check airman experience. Could never have that at another regional airline. Saw a friend of mine the other day (one of my instructors, actually), who I haven't seen in several years, he has been at a 'great' regional for 4+ years. While rules, etc. are superior at his airline, he hasn't upgraded; and there's nothing wrong with that. Just saying that Colgan has had an 'upside' for some people, like myself.

And yes- I did vote for ALPA.

 

[DX Rick]

Say what you want, Colgan is not perfect, but in less than 4 years, I have two type ratings, 1200+ turbine PIC, and check airman experience. Could never have that at another regional airline. Saw a friend of mine the other day (one of my instructors, actually), who I haven't seen in several years, he has been at a 'great' regional for 4+ years. While rules, etc. are superior at his airline, he hasn't upgraded; and there's nothing wrong with that. Just saying that Colgan has had an 'upside' for some people, like myself.

And yes- I did vote for ALPA.

Another reason why I wanted to go to Colgan.

 

[flynryan15]

Say what you want, Colgan is not perfect, but in less than 4 years, I have two type ratings, 1200+ turbine PIC, and check airman experience. Could never have that at another regional airline. Saw a friend of mine the other day (one of my instructors, actually), who I haven't seen in several years, he has been at a 'great' regional for 4+ years. While rules, etc. are superior at his airline, he hasn't upgraded; and there's nothing wrong with that. Just saying that Colgan has had an 'upside' for some people, like myself.

And yes- I did vote for ALPA.

Glad it worked out for you!!! My experience just didn't warrant leaving a good surveying job.

I wish you guys all the best with Alpa and getting a better QOL and work rules. God knows you guys deserve it!!!

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

They were part of the 313 who voted with you for representation that you will now have at Colgan. You may want to thank them and see how you can work together rather than bash them.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't Do the Colgan. I was an SJS turd back when RJ's were born, but thanks for assuming I worked there.

 

[PCL_128]

Could you elaborate?

The work rules that provide soft pay simply aren't there in the Horizon agreement. When you compare W2 compensation, the ASA, XJT, ARW, etc... agreements all come out ahead. Pay rates rarely tell the whole story.

Would you rather have someone represented by the IBT or not at all?

I would prefer that everyone have representation. IBT is simply the bottom of the barrel.

 

[DX Rick]

I would prefer that everyone have representation. IBT is simply the bottom of the barrel.

Bottom of the barrel is what you did.
You paid an Eastern Airline Scab to fly for his airline.
Sorry, not buying your BS "Brotherhood" speach on here.
Scum Bag

 

[TristarJS30]

Yes, take a look at it. The work rules suck compared to recent ALPA regional agreements.

Like the new Mesa TA? Yeah, way to go there...

 

[DX Rick]

Like the new Mesa TA? Yeah, way to go there...

That's a nice little gem they have there. Even they said themselves thats the best ALPA could get them.
Live to Fight Another day.
Or should it be "Let's just start kicking our own azzes!" ?

 

[Nevets]

Reading Comprehension isn't your strong point, is it? The fact that you're associating non-Union with non-ALPA means you've had more than your fair share of the ALPA Kool-Aide. Now get out of line, and let someone else have a cup!

Horizon, UPS, NetJets, SWA, and APA are four examples of great contracts not negotiated by ALPA.

You are correct in saying a labor-friendly management goes a long way.

And here are example of contracts negotiated by the IBT or by at-will employees. Whats your point?

Allegiant, Republic, USA 3000, Virgin America, Cape Air, Era, GoJet, Great Lakes, Gulfstream, Lynx Air, Lynx Aviation, Skywest, PenAir, Flight Options, CitationShares, Aviantair, FlexJet, Plansense, AirNet, Ameriflight, ABX Air, Amerijet, Arrow, ATI, Centurion, Cherry Air, Empire, Flight Express, Kalitta Air, Kalitta Charters, Lynden, Mountain Air Cargo, Murray Air, Southern Air, and Tradewinds.

We can always make the argument that todays Colgan pilots knew what they were getting into when they applied there.
It's no secret that the Colgan abuse their pilots. But hey, it's good enough to apply and go work there. But all the of the sudden, now we're going to piss and moan that we're being abused.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to improve your working conditions regardless of how good or bad you are treated. Colgan management were given that opportunity after the last union drive and didn't come through. What else would you suggest the Colgan pilots do to try to improve their job?