Thanks CJC3407

[JAFI]

Joe - you caught me in mid edit. I was adding a better story....

 

[jetRAT]

Tax dollars hard at work as usual. FAA is becoming almost as effective as the TSA

 

[SpaceShipEarth]

There was the guy who looped a Barron over Pine Mountain GA with a couple teenage kids on board with him for fun.... found the remains scattered all over the ridge line I believe. That was only a few years ago.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Tax dollars hard at work as usual. FAA is becoming almost as effective as the TSA

Remember, ALPA pushed for a federal security agency...They wanted more "security"....Be careful what you wish for...It's usually worse than the status quo......

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Nice, yet the updated rest rules have yet again been delayed..... Good to know where the priorities are. Excuse me while I barf.

 

[Alert height]

Ironically, Q-400's will be unaffected by this rule since they are certificated for weights in excess of 60,000 lbs.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Do most airlines not have set criteria of when to turn on the ice protection? Maybe the Saab manuals have it in there for an AD, but I thought it was normal to have that stuff listed in the POM.

It's very well spelled out in our CR9 manual. A very well defined range for both ground and airborne ops. Plus the yellow ICE message that is very questionably accurate but whatever, it's not my fuel costs. ( the software update supposedly has been coming for a LONG time to make it more accurate, IE descending below 10k into AUS in August and it chimes, good luck getting ice in a freezer there.)

 

[JoeMerchant]

Remember the good old days when you used to look out the window....Oh well....

 

[bri5150]

Common sense dictates you turn on ice protection when it is icy...Silly concept I know, but that is common sense....

Is knowing the temp in which venturi effects within the Saab 340 engine cause the temp to lower enough to form ice common sense? I personally like having it spelled out. Less liability for me if something happens and I followed the procedures in the manual. I guess I'm not super pilot though.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Is knowing the temp in which venturi effects within the Saab 340 engine cause the temp to lower enough to form ice common sense? I personally like having it spelled out. Less liability for me if something happens and I followed the procedures in the manual. I guess I'm not super pilot though.

Can you see the engine intakes on the Saab?

 

[bri5150]

Can you see the engine intakes on the Saab?

Are there more places on an engine to get ice than just the intakes?

 

[Snaab]

On behalf of the entire Aviation Industry, Thanks!

Please enlighten me how 3407 is to "thank" for this?

 

[IBNAV8R]

Is knowing the temp in which venturi effects within the Saab 340 engine cause the temp to lower enough to form ice common sense? I personally like having it spelled out. Less liability for me if something happens and I followed the procedures in the manual. I guess I'm not super pilot though.

Are there more places on an engine to get ice than just the intakes?

If you're not already working for the FAA, you've missed your calling. Please, for the safety of your passengers, get out of commercial aviation.

 

[bri5150]

If you're not already working for the FAA, you've missed your calling. Please, for the safety of your passengers, get out of commercial aviation.

Huh? I should work for the FAA because I think it is good to have a set temperature when to turn the engine ice on? And that is detrimental to the safety of my passengers? Can you explain more please?

 

[IBNAV8R]

You should go to work for the FAA if you propose that pilot judgment, again, be written out of the equation.

1. Has there ever been an incident of reduced engine performance from icing that could NOT be detected at the inlet? (Of an aircraft built in the last 30 years).

2. Don't we ALREADY have specific criteria as to what constitutes "icing conditions"?

In recent years, 'headwork' and basic flying skills are being taken out of the equation. More and more we are finding that 'headwork' and basic flying skills are fast becoming a lost art - obvious only when it is needed the most (CJC3407, US1549, etc.).

No sane pilot could argue that TCAS was not a HUGE safety improvement but, at the same time, looking out the window is becoming a lost skill.