Teterboro Accident - CL600

[rptrain]

How's this for ambulance chasing.

Press ReleaseSource: Kreindler & Kreindler LLP


New Jersey Aviation Attorney/Pilot Comments on Teterboro Crash, Corporate Jet Safety
Wednesday February 2, 6:34 pm ET 'Take offs and landings are the most hazardous factors of corporate jet flights, and the frequency of crashes during these segments of flight deserves close scrutiny,' says New Jersey Attorney/Pilot at Nation's Leading Aviation Law Firm

NEW YORK, Feb. 2 /PRNewswire/ -- "Pilots of small jets need to be especially aware of the inherent risks of flights such as the one that crashed in Teterboro today, especially in winter weather, which often presents some of the most dangerous conditions," says Brian Alexander, a leading aviation lawyer who resides in New Jersey and is a pilot who has flown in and out of Teterboro Airport.

Mr. Alexander, a partner at Kreindler & Kreindler LLP, the largest aviation law firm in the United States, has handled several corporate jet crash cases. He says that "careful investigation will determine where the fault for this crash lies, but whether this was a mechanical, pilot or other error, this points to how essential it is for pilots to observe all the rules necessary to ensure safe travel. Further, airport conditions, including the length of runways, are factors that must be studied."

Legal experts at Kreindler, including some of whom are also seasoned pilots, are available to media as resources on questions related to this morning's lift-off crash of a Challenger CL-600 aircraft in Teterboro, NJ, which resulted in at least 14 people injured.

Kreindler & Kreindler currently represents numerous passengers and families of corporate jet air crashes, including the family of a New York real estate mogul killed in a Teterboro Airport crash in 2002, which also occurred on takeoff. Attorneys at the firm are available to offer to media commentary about: * Risks inherent with corporate/charter jet flights * Historical accounts of similar crashes * Victims' and victims' family rights in air crashes * All other legal issues and guidelines related to air crashes * Airplane technical and operational matters * Crash investigation, accident reconstruction, role of weather in crashes Experts at Kreindler available to media include: Brian Alexander: Kreindler law partner, New Jersey resident and a graduate of the United States Military Academy who served as a helicopter and fixed wing pilot from 1985-1990. He was graduated from the Army Aviation Accident Investigation Course, accruing thousands of hours in a variety of rotary and fixed wing aircraft, has more than 1,000 hours piloting small aircraft, and has successfully litigated many commuter and corporate crash cases. Marc S. Moller: Senior Kreindler law partner who has represented thousands of victims of commercial and general aviation disasters, and litigated accidents involving single-engine, multi-engine, helicopter, corporate jet and military equipment for more than 25 years. He is presently the Plaintiffs' Liaison Counsel for all tort litigation arising from the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, and is an internationally recognized expert in aircraft litigation. He has handled several cases involving crashes of corporate jets.

About Kreindler & Kreindler LLP Founded in 1950, Kreindler & Kreindler LLP (http://www.kreindler.com) is nationally recognized as the first and most prominent aviation law firm in the nation. The firm has been the leading plaintiff legal counsel on hundreds of aviation cases, including major ones such as the September 11 terrorist attacks, Pan Am Lockerbie Flight 103, Korean Airlines Flight 007, and American Airlines Flight 587, and many cases of small private and commercial crashes, including those resulting in the deaths of Pennsylvania Senator John Heinz, Walt Disney Company President Frank Wells, R&B performing artist Aaliyah and ABC News executive David Jayne, who perished in a 1979 Learjet crash. The leading legal textbook in the aviation field, "Aviation Accident Law," and a standard legal treatise, "New York Law of Torts," were authored by members of the firm.

 

[Vortilon]

G200,

Thanks for the mature reply.

Actually I used to fly for a very good 135/91 operator who always tried to do things the right way, but it often took pressure to make it that way. I never had a problem standing up to my employer or delaying a flight to make something safe, but we all know people that have compromised their standards to get the job done. (or didn't have the experience or common sense to say "no"). Being a pilot for an on-demand charter operator is extrememly demanding and can be a lot of fun, especially when when you have a complicated day but make it happen for the customer. But every day you operate without a safety net, and this is where charter flying fails the traveling public. There are people out there that aren't cut out for it, and not everyone can be 100% every day.

Bizjet charter flying is simply not as safe as other avenues in aviation. Not much FAA oversight, lack of safety-minded, professional corporate cultures, lack of pilot standardization, 'company training' varies widely from operation to operation, hiring standards vary widely, FSI/Bombardier/Simuflight is a joke...if you pay you pass (and get a nice coffee mug), and everyone flies a whopping 30-40 hours a month...not a great way to be truly proficient. I'm not even going to get into maintenance, overbearing DOs or passengers.

That being said, the Fractionals run more like an airline and have better safety systems within the corporation...I wouldn't hesitate to put my family on a NetJets, Flex, or Options aircraft. Corporate flight departments are also better able to establish proper corporate cultures due to low turnover, more selective hiring, and close oversight. They tend to pay the best also, so they generally get the best to choose from.

I fly for a major airline, and I don't miss the charter flying one bit. Everyone I work with knows that no flight "needs to go ASAP" and any person in the system can put on the brakes in the name of safety. Its also comforting to know that if I have a bad day, there's a lot more safety built into the system that ensures I'm coming home for dinner.

Its too early to say what happened today...its a miracle nobody was killed. But I think we all know in our gut there's a good chance the crew will be culpable here. I'm glad you like your job, but I think with the growing popularity of Bizjet flying we're going to see a lot more of what happened today....unfortunately.

Be safe out there....

 

[rchcfi]

How's this for ambulance chasing.

Attorneys at the firm are available to offer to media commentary about: * Risks inherent with corporate/charter jet flights * Historical accounts of similar crashes * Victims' and victims' family rights in air crashes * All other legal issues and guidelines related to air crashes * Airplane technical and operational matters *.

This kinda crap just makes my blood boil...........So I'm sure one of these **lawyers went to Montreal to get properly trained on the technical and operational matters of the CL60.....Yeah right!!!!

 

[Duderino]

I heard from a friend the "cabin attendant" did an outstanding job getting everyone out of the plane. A 22 year old bombshell, and still went beyone her call of duty. I was so sad when I saw the tail number, but still releived to hear that so far there are no fatalities. God bless all involved.
Dude

 

[Gatorman]

Back ground info on N370V

I am sorry that I am getting to this storyline so late....

Two years ago I was the mechanic/inspector on that aircraft while it was being managed by Regal Aviation at Love Field.
It came from the Canadain Department of Defence and had gone through a massive de-modification by GDAS (Gulfstream) Dallas. Once the de-mods were done, the aircraft had a new interior and paint done on it. It was not a bad aircraft when it was all said and done.
I was along with the aircraft as it was going through the drills to get the plane on Regal's 135 cert. and it did so with no problems.

In as much as I did not like DDH, those who were at Regal did a fine job managing the aircraft while it was there.

As for how the people got out of the aircraft when the MED does not appear to be open and the emergency exit could not be used.....the aft baggage door is under the left engine would be my best guess.

 

[The_Russian]

I heard from a friend the "cabin attendant" did an outstanding job getting everyone out of the plane. A 22 year old bombshell, and still went beyone her call of duty. I was so sad when I saw the tail number, but still releived to hear that so far there are no fatalities. God bless all involved.
Dude

I know the "bombshell". She is frickin hot man.

 

[Corona]

News Flash for total morons!

How's this for ambulance chasing.

Press ReleaseSource: Kreindler & Kreindler LLP


'Take offs and landings are the most hazardous factors of corporate jet flights, and the frequency of crashes during these segments of flight deserves close scrutiny,' says New Jersey Attorney/Pilot at Nation's Leading Aviation Law Firm

It's dangerous being near the ground in an airplane? How come my instructors never told me that?

Maybe science will invent a technology to keep us away from the ground during takeoff and landing.

C

(Question: D'ya think Kreindler & Kreindler are a married brother and sister? I think so too...)

(Also: Crashes that take place during t/o and landing are easier to investigate, as the airplanes are on the ground, as opposed to other crashes where they aren't.)

 

[VA AV8R]

Nice job! Ruin it for the rest of us! Until there is more accountability for professionalism like there is in the airlines, crap like the above story will continue to occur.

Obviously, it is too soon to know what hapened today in TEB, though. But the above story makes me pretty mad. That guy should lose his certificates.

Unfortunately there's not a lot more accountability at the airlines, at least not at the regional level. A lot of clowns in the left (and right) seats. Going back and forth to the same limited number of airports, combined with thorough SOP's, takes away a lot of the risk. Had this been a flight involving dispatch, the release would have told the PIC what he could weigh, and what his runway limitations were. He'd have to work a little harder to screw something up.

 

[Texasskicker]

Obviously, it is too soon to know what hapened today in TEB, though. But the above story makes me pretty mad. That guy should lose his certificates.

100LL, you are so right. Whats got me hot under the cowboy hat today's a combination of things. All the usual Bullcrap that usually follows with the media dumbazzes and the talkin heads that had to scramble out of their offices to find their tie and talkin points.

Did anyone else see the news conference that happened shortly after the accident? Port Authority chief, deputy governor of NJ...lefties all, and ignorant. Then the reporters askin questions that are usual half-brained attempts to get em to speculate even though they said they wouldnt under any circumstances speculate.

Man, I wish I could find a transcript of that presser, cause the questions were so freakin out there. "Cant you put up a fence to prevent this from happening?"

But one question burned me...give us a list of accidents that have occurred at TEB. They ran down a list, but what the dumb reporters should be concerned about are incidents as well, cause just a couple of years ago this accident almost happened...came very close to bein the same thing.

Then the PA chief said in response to a question about big aircraft at TEB, "Well, the Bush Administration wanted to bring bigger a/c into TEB, but we resisted." I know some bigger aircraft that probably would have required less runway for that mission that day.

100LL, I know from previous posts we have similar views. Even in unfortunate circumstances, the lefties, both leaders and press, are tryin to take advantage and make the administration look bad somehow.

-->>Steam comin out from my boots....

Tex.

 

[slowtation capt]

The FA

I know the "bombshell". She is frickin hot man.

I heard the plane was based in FXE, A girl that I used to know was a FA on a 600 out of there, haven't spoken in a long time to her, but was wondering if possible it was her. No longer have any #'s so can't call. I am not asking for her name on here, but maybe initials or a pm to find out.

Thanks

 

[FlyingSig]

Bizjet charter flying is simply not as safe as other avenues in aviation. Not much FAA oversight, lack of safety-minded, professional corporate cultures, lack of pilot standardization, 'company training' varies widely from operation to operation, hiring standards vary widely, FSI/Bombardier/Simuflight is a joke...if you pay you pass (and get a nice coffee mug),

Sad, but dead on accurate (at least for the 2 charter outfits I've worked for)

and everyone flies a whopping 30-40 hours a month...not a great way to be truly proficient. I'm not even going to get into maintenance, overbearing DOs or passengers.

Wish I worked at your last job... I've averaged 80-100 hours the past 12 months. I need to go back to the airlines to get a break!

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

Voiceofreason, why do you keep reposting what you write. Everytime you post it adds itself like 3 times......

 

[FN FAL]

God please take them...under your wing and welcome them into your heavenly care.

Our prayers go out to the crew and passengers.

Just because they failed to yield the right-of-way to two motor vehicles on the highway, it's no reason to wish death on them.

 

[Publishers]

I knew the pilot of this aircraft and he is not one to cut any corners whatsoever, has a tremendous record, was a pilot for Pepsi and has recommendation from a number of his employers and customers.

He flew high profile government dignataries and believed safety first.

Vortilon breaks the first rule, it is ok to speculate on the cause but not on the pilots when you have no clue who the h they were.

 

[G100driver]

Just because they failed to yield the right-of-way to two motor vehicles on the highway, it's no reason to wish death on them.

Have you ever driven Hwy 46?

 

[VampyreGTX]

I heard the plane was based in FXE, A girl that I used to know was a FA on a 600 out of there, haven't spoken in a long time to her, but was wondering if possible it was her. No longer have any #'s so can't call. I am not asking for her name on here, but maybe initials or a pm to find out.

Thanks

"Miami's NBC 6 also learned that Angelica Calad, a part-time flight attendant from Fort Lauderdale, was a member of the crew on the flight and is being credited with saving the lives of some of the passengers after the crash."

 

[soarby007]

Teterboro crash

Latest I heard today in Dallas is that the captain said there was smoke in the cockpit at or near V1.

 

[Capthuff]

It is quite possible that they got out the main cabin door. Being an older serial number I believe the door is the type that opens up and the stairs fall out and down. They could have pushed the door open and it fell shut after them.

my .02

Cappy

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Voiceofreason, why do you keep reposting what you write. Everytime you post it adds itself like 3 times......

You can blame the moderator for that one, thank you....
I posted the story on 3 boards when it occurred : Charter, Corporate, & Fractional (all crews who would be affected/concerned by the story). The moderator removed them (and everyone's reponses), and haphazardly plastered them (in no particular order) onto this one. I never (until this post) have posted a single thing to THIS board.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I knew the pilot of this aircraft and he is not one to cut any corners whatsoever, has a tremendous record, was a pilot for Pepsi and has recommendation from a number of his employers and customers.

He flew high profile government dignataries and believed safety first.

Vortilon breaks the first rule, it is ok to speculate on the cause but not on the pilots when you have no clue who the h they were.

Something went wrong. Unfortunately, pilots are employed to safely manuver the aircraft. If there were something to stop this accident, the pilots are the last line of defense, and sometimes the only. Time will tell, but experienced people have made mistakes in the past...