Teterboro Accident - CL600

[Groundpounder]

The a/c is based at FXE.

 

[Texasskicker]

Does anybody remember this one CL-600 abort TEB

NTSB Identification: NYC04IA054.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Public Inquiries
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Incident occurred Tuesday, December 16, 2003 in Teterboro, NJ
Probable Cause Approval Date: 12/3/2004
Aircraft: Canadair CL-600, registration: N95EB
Injuries: 2 Uninjured.
Earlier in the day, a different flightcrew performed a successful aborted takeoff in the incident airplane. The aborted takeoff occurred with seven to nine passengers on board, at 139 knots; when the flightcrew was unable to rotate the airplane. The only difference between that aborted takeoff, and the uneventful previous flight, was the addition of 3,000 to 4,000 pounds of fuel. Following that aborted takeoff, the airplane underwent a maintenance inspection which did not reveal any discrepancies pertaining to the inability to rotate. The airplane was then returned to service. When the incident captain arrived at the airport, he was informed of the previous aborted takeoff. The incident captain attempted a takeoff on a shorter runway at the airport. During rotation, the airplane did not respond to elevator inputs, and the captain aborted the takeoff. The airplane then traveled off the end of the runway and came to rest in mud. Following the overrun, the incident captain failed to produce a weight and balance calculation, or accurate count of passengers on board at the time. The wind was reported as variable at 4 knots. When asked why he chose a shorter runway to attempt the takeoff, the incident captain reported that it was the runway in use at the time. The aircraft manufacturer inspected the airplane, and did not find any discrepancies pertaining to the aborted takeoff. The manufacturer also computed two weight and balance calculations for the incident takeoff. Both calculations revealed that the airplane was above the maximum gross takeoff weight, and outside the forward center-of-gravity envelope. Subsequently, the airplane tookoff with no passengers on board, and flew uneventfully to another airport.


The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this incident as follows:

The captain's inadequate preflight planning, which resulted in an overrun during an aborted takeoff.
National Transportation Safety Board
Washington, DC 20594

.....HISTORY repeating???

 

[Texasskicker]

HIstory repeating???

NTSB Identification: NYC04IA054.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Public Inquiries
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Incident occurred Tuesday, December 16, 2003 in Teterboro, NJ
Probable Cause Approval Date: 12/3/2004
Aircraft: Canadair CL-600, registration: N95EB
Injuries: 2 Uninjured.
Earlier in the day, a different flightcrew performed a successful aborted takeoff in the incident airplane. The aborted takeoff occurred with seven to nine passengers on board, at 139 knots; when the flightcrew was unable to rotate the airplane. The only difference between that aborted takeoff, and the uneventful previous flight, was the addition of 3,000 to 4,000 pounds of fuel. Following that aborted takeoff, the airplane underwent a maintenance inspection which did not reveal any discrepancies pertaining to the inability to rotate. The airplane was then returned to service. When the incident captain arrived at the airport, he was informed of the previous aborted takeoff. The incident captain attempted a takeoff on a shorter runway at the airport. During rotation, the airplane did not respond to elevator inputs, and the captain aborted the takeoff. The airplane then traveled off the end of the runway and came to rest in mud. Following the overrun, the incident captain failed to produce a weight and balance calculation, or accurate count of passengers on board at the time. The wind was reported as variable at 4 knots. When asked why he chose a shorter runway to attempt the takeoff, the incident captain reported that it was the runway in use at the time. The aircraft manufacturer inspected the airplane, and did not find any discrepancies pertaining to the aborted takeoff. The manufacturer also computed two weight and balance calculations for the incident takeoff. Both calculations revealed that the airplane was above the maximum gross takeoff weight, and outside the forward center-of-gravity envelope. Subsequently, the airplane tookoff with no passengers on board, and flew uneventfully to another airport.


The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this incident as follows:

The captain's inadequate preflight planning, which resulted in an overrun during an aborted takeoff.
National Transportation Safety Board
Washington, DC 20594

 

[G100driver]

Hopefully enough cheapa$$ operators and owners will get the message about de-icing and putting the airplane in the hanger for the night. Unfortunatly many rules of thumb and what we think of as standard operating procedures are written in blood.

Even if the NTSB determines that this was not the case, these high profile crashes start the discussion among the people who pay the bills.

I am thankful that all were accounted for.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

GEEZSH, keep those reliable witnesses coming...

"Witness Robert Sosa told WNBC-TV he saw the plane crash into the building.

''Two guys came off with their hand cuts,'' Sosa said. ''The pilot said he dragged himself out. He literally crawled out like a baby, and all the other people just walked out normal.''

''He said as they tried to airborne before five minutes past (7 a.m.), they just lost control and they couldn't airborne the plane. They went straight through, 100 miles per hour,'' Sosa said."

 

[Texasskicker]

The full report ... of a prior incident at TEB

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=NYC04IA054&rpt=fa

 

[Pilot124]

Here is the plane..Reports show no fatalities

http://myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00265489

 

[murfdawg998]

g100, i hope you are right, but the last i heard was that there were 2 persons unaccounted for...God be with them

 

[Vortilon]

Maybe the frost on your wings easily rubbed off.....howabout the tail?

Glad I'm not flying corporate/charter anymore.

 

[Texasskicker]

Not the first time for this at TEB.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=NYC04IA054&rpt=fa

Another CL600 overrun, but on 24. If it had been on 6, aircraft wouldnt have stopped in mud, but ....you know where.

SCARY!

 

[G100driver]

g100, i hope you are right, but the last i heard was that there were 2 persons unaccounted for...God be with them

Me too. Just going on the prior post as reported by FOX News. No info other than the stuff on this board.

UPDATE: 9:57am: FOX News is reporting that the good news is that everyone has been accounted for, and no word on the extent of injuries.

 

[UnstableAviator]

I'm thankful to read there were no fatalities. The pics on CNN sure did look pretty bad.

I hope everyone, especially the co-pilot and car driver, recover fully.

 

[C601]

Interesting........

 

[CE402]

Not to jump to conclusions or anything, but . . .

I wonder if they deiced . . .

Did you use the "Jump to Conclusions Mat?"

 

[cvsfly]

Going there tomorrow. I guess they took out the LLZ.

TEB 02/001 TEB 6/24 18 IN SNBNK WEF 0502021015
TEB 02/002 TEB 1/19 18 IN SNBNK WEF 0502021015
TEB 02/003 TEB 1/19 CLSD 1100-2000 DLY WEF 0502021142-0502052000
TEB 02/004 TEB 6 ILS LLZ OTS
TEB 02/006 TEB AP CLSD

Glad all are OK. These past few months aren't going to give much hope for insurance rates to come down. There is no flight that must go. Ya'll be careful out there.

 

[G100driver]

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[The_Russian]

370V

It is operated by PJM. They are good people and I hope nothing bad comes of this. They already lost a good man last year in a car wreck.

 

[100LL... Again!]

NTSB Identification: NYC04IA054.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Public Inquiries
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Incident occurred Tuesday, December 16, 2003 in Teterboro, NJ
Probable Cause Approval Date: 12/3/2004
Aircraft: Canadair CL-600, registration: N95EB
Injuries: 2 Uninjured.
Earlier in the day, a different flightcrew performed a successful aborted takeoff in the incident airplane. The aborted takeoff occurred with seven to nine passengers on board, at 139 knots; when the flightcrew was unable to rotate the airplane. The only difference between that aborted takeoff, and the uneventful previous flight, was the addition of 3,000 to 4,000 pounds of fuel. Following that aborted takeoff, the airplane underwent a maintenance inspection which did not reveal any discrepancies pertaining to the inability to rotate. The airplane was then returned to service. When the incident captain arrived at the airport, he was informed of the previous aborted takeoff. The incident captain attempted a takeoff on a shorter runway at the airport. During rotation, the airplane did not respond to elevator inputs, and the captain aborted the takeoff. The airplane then traveled off the end of the runway and came to rest in mud. Following the overrun, the incident captain failed to produce a weight and balance calculation, or accurate count of passengers on board at the time. The wind was reported as variable at 4 knots. When asked why he chose a shorter runway to attempt the takeoff, the incident captain reported that it was the runway in use at the time. The aircraft manufacturer inspected the airplane, and did not find any discrepancies pertaining to the aborted takeoff. The manufacturer also computed two weight and balance calculations for the incident takeoff. Both calculations revealed that the airplane was above the maximum gross takeoff weight, and outside the forward center-of-gravity envelope. Subsequently, the airplane tookoff with no passengers on board, and flew uneventfully to another airport.


The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this incident as follows:

The captain's inadequate preflight planning, which resulted in an overrun during an aborted takeoff.
National Transportation Safety Board
Washington, DC 20594

Nice job! Ruin it for the rest of us! Until there is more accountability for professionalism like there is in the airlines, crap like the above story will continue to occur.

Obviously, it is too soon to know what hapened today in TEB, though. But the above story makes me pretty mad. That guy should lose his certificates.

 

[Moonfly201]

Moonfly:
Where in the area do you live?

Not real close. Eastern PA, but the temperatures at TEB are usually within a few degrees of my airport. Sounds like the frost in PA was thicker this morning than what they had in Jersey ... at least from what I gather from news reports.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Maybe the frost on your wings easily rubbed off.....howabout the tail?

Glad I'm not flying corporate/charter anymore.

whys that?

Did you let your cheap boss talk you into flying with ice and frost on your wings?

we're glad your not flying charter/corporate anymore either......at least now someone tells you when you can come or go....Its safer that way...

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