brainhurts
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He probably is pushing the edges on the war on terror, but how are you going to find the suitcase bomb without a clandestine listening program or a money tracking program?
I love the line of reasoning - lets change our values and the way we live so the terrorist can't make us change our values and the way we live.
The U.S. Constitution is the fabric by which our nation operates. It defines our system of values. Ultimately that is what the terrorists hate, our way of life and our values. By our government pushing the edges of the Constitution, the terrorists are winning the war hands down. There was a time when that point of view was considered very conservative. It is sad that it is now considered liberal.
This is the never ending cycle the Islamists want us in. This makes you a "useful idiot" in their eyes.
The war in Afghanistan is a just war and one I support fully. The Afghan Taliban government gave shelter and support for a group that attacked and killed thousands U.S. citizens on our own soil. To not go to war would have been inexcusable. In fact I am honestly dissappointed that the U.S. Congress didn't issue a full scale declaration of war. IMHO it would have been the right thing to do.
So how would you go to war and not spend money? Thats where the money went--the war on terror. A'stan is ok but Iraq is not. Good reasoning.
Don't let the revisionist blow hards on Fox News confuse you. Iraq was never about terrorism. Iraq was first and foremost about revenge for Hussein attempting to kill Bush Sr. back in 1993. GWB said so himself back 2001, before Sept 11th. Even after Sept. 11th, when Powell was making the case for the invasion, the argument was not to stop Islamic terrorism, it was to prevent Saddam Hussein from developing WMDs. And Hussein was not in bed with the Terrorists. He was a secular leader who hated the Islamic fundamentalists and was actually fighting against them. It was the toppling of Hussein and poor planning for the power vacuum that existed afterwards which allowed Islamic Terrorists to gain a foothold in Iraq and create the breeding ground we have today. GWBs desire for revenge and access to a large oil supply have created the issue we have there now.
You sound like Michael Moore. There were WMDS in IRAQ. Thousands of Kurds were killed by them. Saddam was in bed with al Queda and the proof of meetings has been quietly released by the government and quietly reported in the news. The yellowcake connection has been made. Since you obviously do not understand what it is like to make a hard decision, I will tell you about Iraq. Everyone thought Saddam had WMD. Clinton, France, The UN, Briton. etc. etc. There were intel guys on both sides of the fence, but the tough decision was made by Bush: Take out Saddam for being in violation of UN findings that earlier US servicemen had died to establish. You like to quote Fox, now I will label you with a New York Times mentality.
I also became an airline pilot during that time. My job as an airline pilot provides for my family. My union works hard to help me provide for my family in a safe and fair working environment. My responsibility to my family is more important than anything else. GWB is a labor and union hating president who has been hard at work at allowing foreign companies to access to our airspace. In short, GWB and his policies are a threat to my ability to provide for my family. And it makes me laugh every time I hear a conservative republican pilot complain about TSA, Open Skies, and managements disregard for the union and pilot group.
What did you do pre 9-11? I am glad you have been injected with union dogma, but if you want to protect your family, you had better watch out for yourself. Start a business or go in the Guard or Reserve or something because the union pretty much looks after itself. Islam is a threat to your family. A suitcase bomb is a threat to your family. GWB is pursuing a policy that hopefully will protect your family from that.
I love the line of reasoning - lets change our values and the way we live so the terrorist can't make us change our values and the way we live.
The U.S. Constitution is the fabric by which our nation operates. It defines our system of values. Ultimately that is what the terrorists hate, our way of life and our values. By our government pushing the edges of the Constitution, the terrorists are winning the war hands down. There was a time when that point of view was considered very conservative. It is sad that it is now considered liberal.
This is the never ending cycle the Islamists want us in. This makes you a "useful idiot" in their eyes.
The war in Afghanistan is a just war and one I support fully. The Afghan Taliban government gave shelter and support for a group that attacked and killed thousands U.S. citizens on our own soil. To not go to war would have been inexcusable. In fact I am honestly dissappointed that the U.S. Congress didn't issue a full scale declaration of war. IMHO it would have been the right thing to do.
So how would you go to war and not spend money? Thats where the money went--the war on terror. A'stan is ok but Iraq is not. Good reasoning.
Don't let the revisionist blow hards on Fox News confuse you. Iraq was never about terrorism. Iraq was first and foremost about revenge for Hussein attempting to kill Bush Sr. back in 1993. GWB said so himself back 2001, before Sept 11th. Even after Sept. 11th, when Powell was making the case for the invasion, the argument was not to stop Islamic terrorism, it was to prevent Saddam Hussein from developing WMDs. And Hussein was not in bed with the Terrorists. He was a secular leader who hated the Islamic fundamentalists and was actually fighting against them. It was the toppling of Hussein and poor planning for the power vacuum that existed afterwards which allowed Islamic Terrorists to gain a foothold in Iraq and create the breeding ground we have today. GWBs desire for revenge and access to a large oil supply have created the issue we have there now.
You sound like Michael Moore. There were WMDS in IRAQ. Thousands of Kurds were killed by them. Saddam was in bed with al Queda and the proof of meetings has been quietly released by the government and quietly reported in the news. The yellowcake connection has been made. Since you obviously do not understand what it is like to make a hard decision, I will tell you about Iraq. Everyone thought Saddam had WMD. Clinton, France, The UN, Briton. etc. etc. There were intel guys on both sides of the fence, but the tough decision was made by Bush: Take out Saddam for being in violation of UN findings that earlier US servicemen had died to establish. You like to quote Fox, now I will label you with a New York Times mentality.
I also became an airline pilot during that time. My job as an airline pilot provides for my family. My union works hard to help me provide for my family in a safe and fair working environment. My responsibility to my family is more important than anything else. GWB is a labor and union hating president who has been hard at work at allowing foreign companies to access to our airspace. In short, GWB and his policies are a threat to my ability to provide for my family. And it makes me laugh every time I hear a conservative republican pilot complain about TSA, Open Skies, and managements disregard for the union and pilot group.
What did you do pre 9-11? I am glad you have been injected with union dogma, but if you want to protect your family, you had better watch out for yourself. Start a business or go in the Guard or Reserve or something because the union pretty much looks after itself. Islam is a threat to your family. A suitcase bomb is a threat to your family. GWB is pursuing a policy that hopefully will protect your family from that.
