Terrorists Win: Deodorant Banned From Airplanes

[Sparse]

I'm trying to market the "Stadium Turd Pal". It involves a shop vac connected to your sphincter.

A better name would be the "Brown Bag"

 

[NEDude]

I'm referring, you idiot, to the mandate your liberal masters keep refering to. It is your side that keeps claiming that since the numbers are so close--in other words, although we control all bodies of government, the percentages are so close that there is no mandate. This is your side saying this. Just because we have a majority, it does not mean we have a blank check because the numbers show that you have to run a fine line to retain power. With your side using its 38% to 44% of 300 million people, you drag at the party in power not allowing a true conservative platform of ideas. As I said above--this is good, because even though I am conservative and would like conservative ideas put foreward, I do not want them rammed down anyones throat--I want them accepted. Thanks for the news flash loser.

You know, its funny, I used to be a die-hard Rush Limbaugh fan. I listened to his show, bought his books. I was a member of the Young Republicans. I went to hear William F. Buckley speak on a few occasions. Was a registered Republican and voted straight across the party line. As I mentioned, I even voted for GWB.

I realized one day though, that if you are not a born-again christian business leader, the controlling interests of the Republican party are not your friends. Republicans used to brag about strong fiscal management, smaller government, and a strong faith in the Constitution. Then I woke up one day to see GWB and company overseeing the largest expansion of our government since FDR. I see record deficits. And I see even conservative legal annalysts saying GWB has been violating the constitution. So tell me, where is the smaller government? Where is the good fiscal management? Where is the respect for the constitution? Certainly not with our current administration.

I also realized one day that many on the right don't really have much to say. Sure, there is noise coming out of their mouths. They write stuff on paper, or type it on a computer. But really, when you get down to it, much of what they say is a bunch fluff and name calling. Thank you brainhurts for confirming that.

 

[brainhurts]

You know, its funny, I used to be a die-hard Rush Limbaugh fan. I listened to his show, bought his books. I was a member of the Young Republicans. I went to hear William F. Buckley speak on a few occasions. Was a registered Republican and voted straight across the party line. As I mentioned, I even voted for GWB.

I realized one day though, that if you are not a born-again christian business leader, the controlling interests of the Republican party are not your friends. Republicans used to brag about strong fiscal management, smaller government, and a strong faith in the Constitution. Then I woke up one day to see GWB and company overseeing the largest expansion of our government since FDR. I see record deficits. And I see even conservative legal annalysts saying GWB has been violating the constitution. So tell me, where is the smaller government? Where is the good fiscal management? Where is the respect for the constitution? Certainly not with our current administration.

I also realized one day that many on the right don't really have much to say. Sure, there is noise coming out of their mouths. They write stuff on paper, or type it on a computer. But really, when you get down to it, much of what they say is a bunch fluff and name calling. Thank you brainhurts for confirming that.

Whatever NEdude. Heres some more wasted print. Did something happen between when you voted for GWB the first time and now? Yes--we entered a war unlike any in history where the stakes are very high. A couple planes plowing into a couple major buildings only produced 3,000 deaths. A suitcase bomb in NYC will cause lots more. How do you stop this when nations are co-operating with these ba$tards that have no nation--just a religion? How do you stop this when we live in such an open society? I do not know the full answer the same as you don't. I do know that war is expensive and we have had to spend. I know some "conservative' analyists like Buchanan say Bush is stretching the constitution. He probably is pushing the edges on the war on terror, but how are you going to find the suitcase bomb without a clandestine listening program or a money tracking program? (Like the Brits used to thwart the last attempt) Since you have all the answers, you tell me. Till then I am sticking with the current plan.

 

[SkiFishFly]

Whatever NEdude. Heres some more wasted print. Did something happen between when you voted for GWB the first time and now? Yes--we entered a war unlike any in history where the stakes are very high. A couple planes plowing into a couple major buildings only produced 3,000 deaths. A suitcase bomb in NYC will cause lots more. How do you stop this when nations are co-operating with these ba$tards that have no nation--just a religion? How do you stop this when we live in such an open society? I do not know the full answer the same as you don't. I do know that war is expensive and we have had to spend. I know some "conservative' analyists like Buchanan say Bush is stretching the constitution. He probably is pushing the edges on the war on terror, but how are you going to find the suitcase bomb without a clandestine listening program or a money tracking program? (Like the Brits used to thwart the last attempt) Since you have all the answers, you tell me. Till then I am sticking with the current plan.

Amen to that. Simply being against the current plan does not constitute a plan.

At least W has implemented a broad series of initiatives to protect Americans. One of these happened to be to take the fight to their turf. If you can't see that this has caused them to focus a tremendous amount of their personnel and resources towards the US military in Afghanistan and Iraq thus diverting them away from killing innocent women and children on US soil - then you just don't get it.

Pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan now will only allow them to rebuild and once again focus on attacking on US soil.

 

[NEDude]

Since you have all the answers, you tell me. Till then I am sticking with the current plan.

Actually if you had bothered to read what I had said instead of running off on a name calling tirade, you would know I never claimed to have had the answers. I simply stated through examples that not all terrorists are Arab Islamic millitants. I also asked a couple of tough questions to which nobody has really answered. So I will state them again

-With only 20% of the Muslim population being Arab, and the millitants actively recruiting non-Arabs and U.S. citizens, how do you simply "profile muslims"? How do you know who is a muslim, and who isn't?

- My second question is why on earth would you want to profile only muslims when other groups or individuals have put bombs on airplanes? Do you want until they kill a certain ammount of people before you profile them as well?

You are the one who took that to mean I was a Liberal and was claiming to have the answers. If I had the answers, I wouldn't have asked the questions.

He probably is pushing the edges on the war on terror, but how are you going to find the suitcase bomb without a clandestine listening program or a money tracking program?

I love the line of reasoning - lets change our values and the way we live so the terrorist can't make us change our values and the way we live.

The U.S. Constitution is the fabric by which our nation operates. It defines our system of values. Ultimately that is what the terrorists hate, our way of life and our values. By our government pushing the edges of the Constitution, the terrorists are winning the war hands down. There was a time when that point of view was considered very conservative. It is sad that it is now considered liberal.

Amen to that. Simply being against the current plan does not constitute a plan.

At least W has implemented a broad series of initiatives to protect Americans. One of these happened to be to take the fight to their turf. If you can't see that this has caused them to focus a tremendous amount of their personnel and resources towards the US military in Afghanistan and Iraq thus diverting them away from killing innocent women and children on US soil - then you just don't get it.

Pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan now will only allow them to rebuild and once again focus on attacking on US soil.

Don't let the revisionist blow hards on Fox News confuse you. Iraq was never about terrorism. Iraq was first and foremost about revenge for Hussein attempting to kill Bush Sr. back in 1993. GWB said so himself back 2001, before Sept 11th. Even after Sept. 11th, when Powell was making the case for the invasion, the argument was not to stop Islamic terrorism, it was to prevent Saddam Hussein from developing WMDs. And Hussein was not in bed with the Terrorists. He was a secular leader who hated the Islamic fundamentalists and was actually fighting against them. It was the toppling of Hussein and poor planning for the power vacuum that existed afterwards which allowed Islamic Terrorists to gain a foothold in Iraq and create the breeding ground we have today. GWBs desire for revenge and access to a large oil supply have created the issue we have there now.

The war in Afghanistan is a just war and one I support fully. The Afghan Taliban government gave shelter and support for a group that attacked and killed thousands U.S. citizens on our own soil. To not go to war would have been inexcusable. In fact I am honestly dissappointed that the U.S. Congress didn't issue a full scale declaration of war. IMHO it would have been the right thing to do.

But all that being said, you have to prepare for the long term effects these wars will have. In the short-term you may have taken the battle to them. But just as the U.S. pressence in Arabia after the first gulf war gave rise to Al Queda, the current occupations will most likely give rise even more terrorists who will become a problem 10-20 years from now. History has shown it will happen, and to bury your head in the sand and think this time it will be different is just foolish.

Did something happen between when you voted for GWB the first time and now?

Yes, I stated much of what happened in my previous post. The Republican party used to be about small federal government, fiscal responsibility and respect for the Constitution. Under GWB we have seen one of the largest expansions of the federal government in history, we have seen reckless fiscal policy leading to record deficits. And we have seen, by your own admission, the pushing of the edges of the consitution.

I also became an airline pilot during that time. My job as an airline pilot provides for my family. My union works hard to help me provide for my family in a safe and fair working environment. My responsibility to my family is more important than anything else. GWB is a labor and union hating president who has been hard at work at allowing foreign companies to access to our airspace. In short, GWB and his policies are a threat to my ability to provide for my family. And it makes me laugh every time I hear a conservative republican pilot complain about TSA, Open Skies, and managements disregard for the union and pilot group.

So that is what happened. That is why I am no longer a GWB fan. He has run away from what used to be Republican values. And I realized as a middle class wage earner and member of a union, GWB is not my friend.

 

[brainhurts]

He probably is pushing the edges on the war on terror, but how are you going to find the suitcase bomb without a clandestine listening program or a money tracking program?
I love the line of reasoning - lets change our values and the way we live so the terrorist can't make us change our values and the way we live.

The U.S. Constitution is the fabric by which our nation operates. It defines our system of values. Ultimately that is what the terrorists hate, our way of life and our values. By our government pushing the edges of the Constitution, the terrorists are winning the war hands down. There was a time when that point of view was considered very conservative. It is sad that it is now considered liberal.

This is the never ending cycle the Islamists want us in. This makes you a "useful idiot" in their eyes.
The war in Afghanistan is a just war and one I support fully. The Afghan Taliban government gave shelter and support for a group that attacked and killed thousands U.S. citizens on our own soil. To not go to war would have been inexcusable. In fact I am honestly dissappointed that the U.S. Congress didn't issue a full scale declaration of war. IMHO it would have been the right thing to do.
So how would you go to war and not spend money? Thats where the money went--the war on terror. A'stan is ok but Iraq is not. Good reasoning.
Don't let the revisionist blow hards on Fox News confuse you. Iraq was never about terrorism. Iraq was first and foremost about revenge for Hussein attempting to kill Bush Sr. back in 1993. GWB said so himself back 2001, before Sept 11th. Even after Sept. 11th, when Powell was making the case for the invasion, the argument was not to stop Islamic terrorism, it was to prevent Saddam Hussein from developing WMDs. And Hussein was not in bed with the Terrorists. He was a secular leader who hated the Islamic fundamentalists and was actually fighting against them. It was the toppling of Hussein and poor planning for the power vacuum that existed afterwards which allowed Islamic Terrorists to gain a foothold in Iraq and create the breeding ground we have today. GWBs desire for revenge and access to a large oil supply have created the issue we have there now.
You sound like Michael Moore. There were WMDS in IRAQ. Thousands of Kurds were killed by them. Saddam was in bed with al Queda and the proof of meetings has been quietly released by the government and quietly reported in the news. The yellowcake connection has been made. Since you obviously do not understand what it is like to make a hard decision, I will tell you about Iraq. Everyone thought Saddam had WMD. Clinton, France, The UN, Briton. etc. etc. There were intel guys on both sides of the fence, but the tough decision was made by Bush: Take out Saddam for being in violation of UN findings that earlier US servicemen had died to establish. You like to quote Fox, now I will label you with a New York Times mentality.
I also became an airline pilot during that time. My job as an airline pilot provides for my family. My union works hard to help me provide for my family in a safe and fair working environment. My responsibility to my family is more important than anything else. GWB is a labor and union hating president who has been hard at work at allowing foreign companies to access to our airspace. In short, GWB and his policies are a threat to my ability to provide for my family. And it makes me laugh every time I hear a conservative republican pilot complain about TSA, Open Skies, and managements disregard for the union and pilot group.
What did you do pre 9-11? I am glad you have been injected with union dogma, but if you want to protect your family, you had better watch out for yourself. Start a business or go in the Guard or Reserve or something because the union pretty much looks after itself. Islam is a threat to your family. A suitcase bomb is a threat to your family. GWB is pursuing a policy that hopefully will protect your family from that.

 

[SkiFishFly]

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Don't let the revisionist blow hards on Fox News confuse you. Iraq was never about terrorism. Iraq was first and foremost about revenge for Hussein attempting to kill Bush Sr. back in 1993. GWB said so himself back 2001, before Sept 11th. Even after Sept. 11th, when Powell was making the case for the invasion, the argument was not to stop Islamic terrorism, it was to prevent Saddam Hussein from developing WMDs. And Hussein was not in bed with the Terrorists. He was a secular leader who hated the Islamic fundamentalists and was actually fighting against them. It was the toppling of Hussein and poor planning for the power vacuum that existed afterwards which allowed Islamic Terrorists to gain a foothold in Iraq and create the breeding ground we have today. GWBs desire for revenge and access to a large oil supply have created the issue we have there now.

Guess that explains why some of the earliest targets struck in the war included terrorist training camps.

There were WMDs in Iraq. Some have been found and reported. Others were most likely transferred to Syria. Interesting how the likes of the NYT buries or fails to report on such information.

OBTW - if you look at long term strategy (longer than next week) you might also realize that the likes of Iran will have to be dealt with. Sure would be helpful if we had bases in the area to operate from. Wait - I think we have that now in Afghanistan and Iraq. A pretty strong negotiating position if you ask me...

 

[brainhurts]

Guess that explains why some of the earliest targets struck in the war included terrorist training camps.

There were WMDs in Iraq. Some have been found and reported. Others were most likely transferred to Syria. Interesting how the likes of the NYT buries or fails to report on such information.

OBTW - if you look at long term strategy (longer than next week) you might also realize that the likes of Iran will have to be dealt with. Sure would be helpful if we had bases in the area to operate from. Wait - I think we have that now in Afghanistan and Iraq. A pretty strong negotiating position if you ask me...

DITTO

 

[100LL... Again!]

Hmm, more of a mandate? Republicans control the Presidency, the Senate, the House of Representatives, arguably have a 5-4 edge in the Supreme Court, and even a 28-22 edge in Governorships. News flash, there isn't anything else the Republicans can control. What kind of a mandate do you need? No Democrats anywhere?

I am sorry that for George and company, controlling everything still isn't enough of an edge.

(and note- I really did vote for GWB so consider that when making your comments)

You discount the foolishness of a large part of the American public, who demand instant success at everything. The idea of a long battle against a determined enemy is not something they are ready to ponder.

I have argued with many liberals (and some conservatives) who think that we shoud be "doing more" to stop terror, but they are unable to come up with any ideas. This is ignorance and impatience mixed together.

Plus, they are against the NSA program and profiling. They want someone to come up with a 100% effective, politically correct way to stop terror that causes no hard feelings and inconveniences no one.

 

[FN FAL]

I have argued with many liberals (and some conservatives) who think that we shoud be "doing more" to stop terror, but they are unable to come up with any ideas.

Doing more to stop terror would be simple, just stop freaking out.