Tell Timmay to f@#$ off

[MINIME]

Companies like TPG are preditorial businesses. Their job is to go in, suck the money out of their victim and leave. Very similar to what Icahn and Frank Lorenzo like to do.

They don't care about individual people and their families that need to be fed. It's deplorable that our government allows these legalized rapists to exist. They should be banned, along with every CEO that gets in bed with them.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

Tim is not the one behind this. TPG and Dave Siegel are. This is the same company that robbed the 80 percent-funded US Airways' pilot pension for its own profit. If TPG gets involved, your airline is screwed. This company just takes and takes, then leaves the left-over for dead. It has no intention of running a company. That takes too long for TPG to get its money. There are some really informative posts on this thread of what is going on.

The part about bringing the wages down to other companies' wages flying similar equipment has to be talking about Republic Airways and JetBlue, but even they make more. An 8 year JetBlue 190 captain makes 93/hour (no one at JetBlue has been there more than 8 years). A 12 year Republic 175 captain makes $96/hour which is still more. A Republic F/O tops out at $37/hour (the same). TPG is now comparing 717's to regional airplanes. You knew it would happen someday.

Tim was behind the botched attempt last year to get us to put contract negotiations on hold. He said TPG requested it but the pilots found out that TPG knew nothing about it. That is when the Union retracted their support for Tims stand alone plan.

 

[fam62c]

I would just drag your feet on this one. Don't say yes, don't say no just keep saying you are evaluating their proposal. If they give you a deadline just say that you can't complete the evaluation and approval process in that timeframe. If they don't set a hard and fast deadline they are just being opportunistic and probing to see what you will do.

I think they may be setting the unions up as the "fall guy" for a Chapter 11 filing by trying to force the employees to be the first to take concessions that, supposedly, everything else is dependent on. If you don't do exactly what they want when they want you to do it they will blame you for the bankruptcy. Don't believe it, it was going to happen anyway; unions just make convenient villians in the press. I don't buy the B.S. that the other parties won't do anything unless the unions are locked in first. You'll end up charging the hill yourselves and when you look back there will be nobody following you.

 

[Captainjerky]

Blame Timmy

"Tim is not the one behind this. TPG and Dave Siegel are. This is the same company that robbed the 80 percent-funded US Airways' pilot pension for its own profit."

On the contrary- BLAME HOEKSEMA. It was he who approached Northwest to approach TPG about a buyout of Midwest, most likely in response to the buyout attempt by AirTran. I won't jump on the 'should Midwest have sold to AirTran?' debate, because that's not the issue in this thread.
The point, however, is that if you want somebody to blame, look over in the Cookie Palace and drop those accusations on the tools who deserve it. Blame Hoeksema for flushing a respected carrier down the crapper. Blame him for canning Skyway and the loss of all those jobs, plus the hundreds to come from Midwest.
I hope the state of Wisconsin realizes in the years to come who deserves to shoulder the responsibility for the atrocity that this has become- it's not the fault of the employees or anybody else he tells you to blame; it's the CEO who got his golden parachute and sold out to TPG.

 

[deadstick]

"Tim is not the one behind this. TPG and Dave Siegel are. This is the same company that robbed the 80 percent-funded US Airways' pilot pension for its own profit."

On the contrary- BLAME HOEKSEMA. It was he who approached Northwest to approach TPG about a buyout of Midwest, most likely in response to the buyout attempt by AirTran. I won't jump on the 'should Midwest have sold to AirTran?' debate, because that's not the issue in this thread.
The point, however, is that if you want somebody to blame, look over in the Cookie Palace and drop those accusations on the tools who deserve it. Blame Hoeksema for flushing a respected carrier down the crapper. Blame him for canning Skyway and the loss of all those jobs, plus the hundreds to come from Midwest.
I hope the state of Wisconsin realizes in the years to come who deserves to shoulder the responsibility for the atrocity that this has become- it's not the fault of the employees or anybody else he tells you to blame; it's the CEO who got his golden parachute and sold out to TPG.

Bravo!

 

[hockeypilot44]

Tim sold out to TPG. He is going to get paid at the expense of the employees. He is not running the company anymore. ******************** Tim and TPG. They took a respectable company with great employees and ruined it ruining lives in the process. There are no more ethics left in this country.

 

[cjdriver]

Counter with a request for management to take a pay cut. Ball's in their court.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

"We need to raise the salary for key employees to keep them from moving on to other opportunities during this difficult time at our company."

How many times have I read that nonsense.

 

[deadstick]

"We need to raise the salary for key employees to keep them from moving on to other opportunities during this difficult time at our company."

This reminds me of an old Rodger Rudder cartoon. RR walks into an ops rooms to find a pompous, very out-spoken (S-H, best thing since the sextant) navigator telling a crowd of airmen "I told the pilot he needed to blah blah blah..." and "Well, then I told HIM...." RR was a bit ticked. He approached the nav and asked, "I have flown 3,000 hours without a navigator. How hours have you flown without a pilot?"

So, what "airline" would need to keep around a bunch of over-paid executives if there are no employees remaining to operate the flights?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I suspect this is part of NWA's plan...

If I were the Midwest MEC I would file a PID with ALPA National and try to get a single list with NWA...

This would be a good test of ALPA national.....Are we in this together....or is still everyone for themselves....

File the PID...protect yourselves....

 

[johnsonrod]

Why stop at 50% pay cut? Keep going until you hit Seminole instructor pay for 717 FOs... This industry BLOW$!

 

[SkiFishFly]

This really suc&s...
It seems awfully hot out there these days. Seems like running both engines and the apu might be the only way to keep the airplane cool enough...

 

[Colonel Savage]

This really suc&s...
It seems awfully hot out there these days. Seems like running both engines and the apu might be the only way to keep the airplane cool enough...

Trouble maker...(just kidding)

 

[FlyWolf]

This really suc&s...
It seems awfully hot out there these days. Seems like running both engines and the apu might be the only way to keep the airplane cool enough...

Plus don't forget to always be safe, so taking your time to review all your paperwork (preferably 4 times just in case you missed something the first 3 times ) taxing at a safe speed (preferably slower than walking speed) , etc....is very important.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Just make sure you push after an AA airplane. That should keep your taxi about the right speed.