Teamsters vs ALPA

[PCL_128]

Our dues go towards new excuses as to why nothing is being done. Thats all I have ever heard from a Union guy, excuses. JC has a nice lavish seat. He gets to drop all his line flying, for "Union Duties". Then picks up day off flying for time and a half.
Yeah, it's in the contract that he can do it. But to do it for 9 years, don't you think thats abuse of the system? Of course not, you're a die hard ALPA guy. Of course you'll make up some excuse as to why it's OK to do what he is doing.

If that was the case, then I would agree that that's unethical. However, I don't think that's an accurate assessment of how JC does things. Perhaps you can provide some proof that JC is receiving a full-time buy while still flying trips at premium pay? I know JC, and that doesn't sound like him.

 

[DX Rick]

If that was the case, then I would agree that that's unethical. However, I don't think that's an accurate assessment of how JC does things. Perhaps you can provide some proof that JC is receiving a full-time buy while still flying trips at premium pay? I know JC, and that doesn't sound like him.

Good God man, you're a sorry sack. According to you, ALPA MEC members, or office holders can do no wrong.

You're f'ing blind.

While you're trying to protect fellow pilots jobs, just remind them it's scum like you who paid for your first job, putting another pilot out of a job.

It's been a while since someone has pointed out that you paid to work at GIA.

 

[PCL_128]

Good God man, you're a sorry sack. According to you, ALPA MEC members, or office holders can do no wrong.

I just posted that any ALPA rep that did what you described would be in the wrong. I just doubt that JC is doing that. Where's your proof? Are we all just supposed to believe the raving lunatic on flightinfo?

 

[DX Rick]

I just posted that any ALPA rep that did what you described would be in the wrong. I just doubt that JC is doing that. Where's your proof? Are we all just supposed to believe the raving lunatic on flightinfo?

I'm not going to post the mans schedule on FI.com. So my next idea is that you ask any other CMR pilot.

 

[DrewBlows]

I'm not going to post the mans schedule on FI.com. So my next idea is that you ask any other CMR pilot.

You've already slandered him. You have accused him of impropriety and used his real name on an anonymous web board, yet have offered precisely zero proof. I'll help you out.

JC has not flown even once in the past month and hasn't picked up any trips this month either. I don't have access to any other months at this time, but I suspect he flies enough to stay current, or maybe not even that much.

Next time you slander someone here, at least lie about a specific time, it makes it more believable.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So it's not so much ALPA, rather it is the local leadership and the membership. NetJets, Horizon, UPS and SWA are the "crown jewels" right now. Not a single one is ALPA. In fact, American has done better than most of it's peers, again not ALPA.

If you include FedEx that would weaken your arguement...

Meanwhile, on the ALPA regional front, some very strong local leaderships have suffered tremendous losses. ALG, PDT, ACA, CMR, and MSA had very strong local groups. Without some "brand scope" protections, even the strongest local leadership and pilot group will be left hanging in the wind.....

Tell me more about failed ALPA at ACA......

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Kinda like die-hard ALPA chest thumpers.....

"ALPA has great legal and aeromedical"
"ALPA has great resources"
"If you give more money to ALPA PAC, these problems will be solved"
"If we had a Democrat in the White House, these problems will be solved"
"The ASA/CMR/DAL PID was a seniority grab"

Wash, rinse, repeat......

No Joe.... These aren't wonder drugs... the are small efforts to help hold the line... MAYBE move the ball a few yards down the line.

Oh and one more thing that helps ... pilots who don't sue the very organization... I talked to the ASA MEC Chair the other day....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

On the otherside of the coin, when a teamster pilot group stikes, those same truck drivers stop making deliveries.... they don't cross picket lines PERIOD! ALPA groups will pick up stiking carriers passengers and aircraft as long is it doesn't meet some narrow definition of "stuck work" (ie CMR strike).

RLA John RLA!!


Besides when CMR struck the ACA pilots refused to do thier flying...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Agreed, but not because they are ALPA. They did quite well before they joined ALPA. There is much more that goes into it than being ALPA or not.

FedEx is making large amounts of money, which helps when you go to negotiate for a piece of the pie. This is why I think a pro-business govt. is better than an anti-business govt. In fact, one could argue that FedEx has benefited greatly from free trade and globalization.

And so has UPS John..... as you know the UPS contract is a managment contract and the FX contract a loabor contract... look at the ratification numbers... the UPS pilot feel chumped...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Our dues go towards new excuses as to why nothing is being done. Thats all I have ever heard from a Union guy, excuses. JC has a nice lavish seat. He gets to drop all his line flying, for "Union Duties". Then picks up day off flying for time and a half.
Yeah, it's in the contract that he can do it. But to do it for 9 years, don't you think thats abuse of the system? Of course not, you're a die hard ALPA guy. Of course you'll make up some excuse as to why it's OK to do what he is doing.

And yet he was voted in by your fellow pilots.. maybe you should take your angst to the source... the membership...

Please tell me you voted.....(for your status reps)

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Not me.... I agree with you. There was a time when JC "got it", then he became a politician... much like most people who stay involved with ALPA...

There is a difference between a leader and a politician...

Wow... a politican in ALPA...hey Joe...ALPA is a political organization...

That is like saying I liked the Pope...you know before he became too Catholic...


Once again in order to be effective on CapHill you've got to get political. Nobody will give the airline pilots anything because they like Joe Merchant. You've got to help others get what they want... sorry its the way it is... and that is not ALPA's fault..that is the fonding fathers fault for creating a democratic republic...

SO whenever an ALPA guy gets effective he get blamed for being to political...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

There should be a time frame where our MEC has to be cycled though every 2-3 years. Do your time, get out. More guys would probably be active within the union. Knowing that years after year, some guy like Andy Hughes and JC is sitting in office, doing nothing but collect a fat check, make bad decisions for the group, and golf outings with management.

I have heard CP's get slammed for being "company" guys, but it seems like our MEC is closer with management, than the CP's are.

Then why don't you pass a resolution at your property for term limits. Other MECs have...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I'm not going to post the mans schedule on FI.com. So my next idea is that you ask any other CMR pilot.

The burden of proof is on you... it was your idea.....

 

[ToiletDuck]

You know you can do multiple quotes in one post don't you? You have 3,000 posts.

 

[JoeMerchant]

No Joe.... These aren't wonder drugs... the are small efforts to help hold the line... MAYBE move the ball a few yards down the line.

Oh and one more thing that helps ... pilots who don't sue the very organization... I talked to the ASA MEC Chair the other day....

It's too late for "small efforts to help hold the line". Was the Compass agreement part of these "small efforts"?

The lawsuits are a result of ALPA's failure. Did the ASA MEC Chair also tell you that he and his predecessor and JC were all "closet" supporters of RJDC? ALPA needs to deal with it's conflict of interest and it's failure to stop whipsaw within a brand. No more excuses, and no more "small steps".

Have you ever seen the RBS commercials? Less talk.. more action...

 

[JoeMerchant]

Wow... a politican in ALPA...hey Joe...ALPA is a political organization...

That is like saying I liked the Pope...you know before he became too Catholic...

Funny you should bring up the Catholic analogy.... let's go with that one....

Do you know where the term "red tape" comes from? It comes from the Vatican. Documents and proposals in the Vatican were sealed with "red" tape, and had to go through many layers of bureaucracy. Very hard to make changes and that is where the term comes from. Now fast forward to a certain "problem" the Catholic Church has had in terms of certain improprieties with certain members of it's clergy. Guess what finally got the ball rolling on putting a stop to what was going on.... It was lawsuits! Sometimes it takes a little legal persuasion to get the ball rolling in a large organization... Otherwise the problems tend to get buried in "red tape"....

In many cases, those bring the legal challenge aren't against the institution, they are just tired of serious problems getting bogged down in the "red tape"...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Joe... you are so smart...the problem is we are too dumb to know it.... can you show the support funds from JC and the current MEC? I'd like to see those checks...

What is your plan to keep the foundation of representation when you win your lawsuit?

 

[PCL_128]

Did the ASA MEC Chair also tell you that he and his predecessor and JC were all "closet" supporters of RJDC?

It's true that JC was a supporter at one time, but Newie? Sorry, I don't believe that one.