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My thoughts and prayers go out to the family and friends of all those involved.

Take care of yourself avbug.



The comment on the last slide (on the link posted above) says that this crash led to the grounding of firefighting planes nationwide. Does anyone know if they are still grounded and the specifics of this? Just curious.
 
I believe all tankers are grounded, although I do not think helicopters are.

I am not doing any air attack or recon right now (back to doing 414 ambulance flights), so i am not completely sure what is going on.
 
As of cutoff time last night, fixed wing tankers were still grounded, but not helicopters. We spent the day sitting under the wing waiting, with no word.

Grounding all the tankers over this is ridiculous, but it's the same logic that says when the chicken coop burns down, we should dehorn all the cows. No sense at all.

The news article linked above wasn't entirely accurate; more firefighters than that have been killed this season. Several SEATS (single engine air tankers) have crashed this season; several this week. (Of interest to me this year, since I'm flying one).

On a slightly different note, last night a gentleman showed up at the airport in a brightly polished Cessna 140. He put up a tent under the wing and was going to spend the night at the airport. We got a Level 5 Tstm blowing through that really put out some wind and rain, and he was soaked, along with all his stuff.

I spent some time talking with him; he's on his way to Oshkosh. He restored the airplane on his own, put himself through A&P school, did the airplane while he was there. Was a mech for United, and got furloughed. Fulfilling a dream and all that. Great stories, and he's doing just what I'd like to do.

I invited him back to the hanger here where it would be a bit more dry, and we talked about his trip, life, flying. It's great to meet people who still remember what flying is all about, and who still take pleasure in what they do.

You should have seen the polish on that airplane. There's nothing better than polished aluminum. Fly safe, everybody.
 
Hey Avbug.

I am sadened by the loss of 123, and yet another H&P aircraft.

I do have questions on why another inflight breakup, but I WILL NOT speculate, nor will I pose questions.

I havent been near the TV as I have been on the raod a bit the last few days so all I know is from a picture I saw on the internet.

I ask myself, am I sure I really want to do this kind of work? I think about it for a second, and I say yes. With the latest devoplments this season with 130 and now 123, I'm not sure if I will get the invite for next season.

Again I say, I'm sorry for your loss and the families.

I glad to hear you are back at it, turning in your white shirt for one spotted with aeroshell and avgas(or maybe Jet-A), I hope to maybe seeing you out there next season somewhere.

Fly safe, dirty side down.

LR25
 
LR25,

I wish I could tell you what happened to T-123. I don't know much of the detail, but only that it broke up and apparently had an onboard explosion (to be expected with a breakup, but probably not the cause).

When T-130 exploded, the cause was immediately apparent and known. T-123 is another matter entirely. It was a good, strong airplane, and the 4Y was the only airplane NOT to have suffered in-flight structural failures of breaks, to date. No longer.

I was involved in a four-engine failure in that airplane, as well as an on-board explosion, and other moments of interest. It was a great airpane, and always brought me back (admittedly sometimes with a little coaxing).

If flying tankers is what you still want to do, then by all means pursue it. Bear in mind, as always, that what has happened so far is part of a normal season. The tanker community is small, so losses form an unusually high percentage (I believe it's sitting somewhere in the 7 percent range right now). This is especially worth considering, bearing in mind that so few hours are flown annually. Nothing negative, but strongly consider the ramifications before getting on board. If you decide to do it, you'll have some great experiences, I'm sure.

We were reactivated today; I got three drops on a fire this afternoon, and managed to paint a helittack crew red. I don't know what the rest of the fleet is doing.

Good luck!
 
Be careful Avbug----Please, Preflight the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** out of the bastard----
Put the fire out and go home---no more


good luck
 
We will see Avbug.

Have fun out there.

LR25
 
Man! Loading up the center section of a 40-50+ yr. old plane with slurry and nothing but short trip fuel in the wings while pulling g's in the turbulence of a fire like that is pretty ballsy stuff. Some might say unsafe. I think those guys need a contract more than anyone!
 

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