Talon Air out of FRG fined

[johnsonrod]

Not good if true. Will be interesting to hear their response to the allegations... Growth can be good and bad.

http://airnation.net/hangar/threads...150-000-for-pilots-not-properly-trained.9060/

 

[ultrarunner]

I'm thinking this outfit is doing it on the cheap and not sending folks to school, but instead are attempting to do the training in-house, but really are not...

Examples such as this, and they are plenty more, are reason enough NOT to send your folks to some "charter outfit" when you need supplemental lift...

Go with Netjets for your extra lift and don't loose sleep at night...

It's money well spent....

 

[Newkem]

Go with Netjets for your extra lift and don't loose sleep at night...

It's money well spent....

This PSA brought to you buy one of Wild Warren (Well Butter My Butt and Call Me Buscuit) Buffett's boys. How grateful the rest of us are that you ONE PERCENTERS at Nutjets allow the rest of the world to share your perfect sky.

If you think Netjets is perfect, you would be obviously wrong.

 

[CaptSeth]

The thing that surprises me is that this particular operator never had a reputation for skimping on training or maintenance. They also have deep pockets. I wonder if this tomfoolery is the result of mid-level mismanagement?

 

[ultrarunner]

This PSA brought to you buy one of Wild Warren (Well Butter My Butt and Call Me Buscuit) Buffett's boys. How grateful the rest of us are that you ONE PERCENTERS at Nutjets allow the rest of the world to share your perfect sky.

If you think Netjets is perfect, you would be obviously wrong.

Hardly a PSA. But it's nice to know what you're getting.

And NJA isn't perfect? Geez...to think all this time...

sigh.....

 

[t-bone]

Not surprised they are getting fined for cutting corners. Spend a few hours with a Talon crew, listening to how they are treated, and you'll have a new found appreciation for whatever job you've got.

 

[Pattern-Master]

How can this be, Martha Stewart is a spokesperson for Talon Air and totally trusts them.

 

[ExecJetCA]

I wonder if the Lucey Brothers work there.

 

[ultrarunner]

Haven't heard that name in a long time. I thought they were At NJ

 

[chief9404]

This is very common with charter operators trying to cut costs by not completing required training.

I remember going thru "On The Job Training" many years ago. I'm lucky I never got killed or killed anyone else.

 

[ultrarunner]

What I have found interesting in cases such as this, is the willingness on the part of the underwriter to accept in-house training in lieu of formal simulator-based training from one of the vendors.

I'm prohibited from the former, with my clause requiring 12 month simulator-based training, etc...

Now, we carry a quarter bill. in liability, with a reasonably pricey hull value, so maybe some of the underwriters are not so picky with lower liability limits. However, we didn't see that when we operated with less liability on a lower value airframe with our underwriter...

Interesting...

 

[Capt. JD]

Lack of Training

This is very common with charter operators trying to cut costs by not completing required training.

I remember going thru "On The Job Training" many years ago. I'm lucky I never got killed or killed anyone else.

I am starting to think that this is just the normal SOP for FAR~135 outfits...

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Talk to the underwriter about having named pilots vs an open pilot warranty.

 

[Golden Falcon]

Small World....I worked for this operator for about six months. They are the largest 135 operator around. Ironically while I was in the FAA, Talon Air was one of my first 135 Certifications.

The pilots are also responsible to keep current. So there is a fine and the pilots will be violated.

Tough business
Richard Wyeroski, Jan 17, 2014 #2


this was another post on the same thread by a fomer FAA inspector....obviously he wasn't doing his job, or this wouldn't have happened..HE should be fined..not the pilots involved