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[NYRANGERS]

Re: You did get it wrong

Alright,

My point is......(and I know this is the wrong thread for this). There are only a few ways to make a resume for a pilot (there is a reason for that). It is easy to do a little research and make one.

My perspective is comming from an airline pilot/line pilot. Neither of you are airline pilots. I just found the posts curious, and oddly enough, where ever resume writer posts...you post.

Some pilots may need help writing their resume...I have not meet any that need to pay someone for it. Heck you could post a generic one (resume) here and with the vast amount of experienced pilots and non-pilots........you would end up with a great resume free of charge.

My points may be missed........I think this web site is enriched by the knowledge and contribution of "resume writer". I hope she stays and contributes here, I am was just a little leary about the resume thing.

Lastly Boddysamd, your perspectives come from a management point of view. Us line pilots need to look out for each other when we can. I just thought I picked up on some connection with you and her....I may be wrong.

NYR

 

[USMCAirWinger]

What Ranger said!

 

[bobbysamd]

Management?? ME??!!??

Lastly Boddysamd, your perspectives come from a management point of view. Us line pilots need to look out for each other when we can. I just thought I picked up on some connection with you and her....I may be wrong.

That's another point you have very wrong. Go read my comments on this thread about P-F-T, which, decidedly, is a management program. Search my other comments about age discrimination, which, again, is a management policy. Finally, go search my exchanges with Publisher about unions. Just examples.

While I believe that proper, fair and just management obviates the need for unions, rest assured that I am on the side of employees.

Finally, to give you further assurance that I am on our side, I recommend this book, Every Employee's Guide to the Law by Lewin Joel III, at least once a week during discussions.

 

[Resume Writer]

Re: Re: You did get it wrong

My perspective is comming from an airline pilot/line pilot. Neither of you are airline pilots. I just found the posts curious, and oddly enough, where ever resume writer posts...you post.

I just thought I picked up on some connection with you and her....I may be wrong.

NYR

NYR,

You found me out...Bobby and I are having a sordid affair!

Bobby asked for my opinion of PFT in his post and I gave it. Simple enough.

I think this web site is enriched by the knowledge and contribution of "resume writer". I hope she stays and contributes here, I am was just a little leary about the resume thing.

I appreciate your comments about my contributions to the board. I will continue to help in any way I can. It is perfectly acceptable for you to be leary about the resume thing. If you get results doing it on your own, that is great.

By the way, there is not just one way to write a pilot resume. Every person is an individual and has a background that is unique. I do not compose resumes in some standard manner. I take about an hour with each client to find out about their background.

Just keep in mind that when you put a resume together, you have between 15-30 seconds to catch that person's attention. If they do not see what they want, it is on to the next person. I have a background in hiring, so I know what makes a difference.

Can you do it on your own? Absolutely. Pilots are not my only clients - that just happens to be my specialty (as are FA's, Customer Service Reps and MX Techs) because I was in the industry for so long. Not everyone sees the need for my service and that is cool.

 

[NYRANGERS]

Re: Re: Re: You did get it wrong

NYR,

By the way, there is not just one way to write a pilot resume. Every person is an individual and has a background that is unique. I do not compose resumes in some standard manner. I take about an hour with each client to find out about their background.

Just keep in mind that when you put a resume together, you have between 15-30 seconds to catch that person's attention. If they do not see what they want, it is on to the next person. I have a background in hiring, so I know what makes a difference.

Can you do it on your own? Absolutely. Pilots are not my only clients - that just happens to be my specialty (as are FA's, Customer Service Reps and MX Techs) because I was in the industry for so long. Not everyone sees the need for my service and that is cool.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. Like I said before, your contribution to this site will no doubt help some pilots.

As for catching the persons attention, I disagree. Every interviewer looking at a resume is looking for a few different things. Total time with break down, Experience and education. There are a few other things, but that is pretty much it. No one is looking for the flashy resume or one that is very different. They want to look at the resume and easily be able to find the information I mentioned and be able to understand it. Thats it. A stand out resume is one that cannot be a representation of anything other than your times, collective experience (most only want one page) and your education.

So, I guess what I am saying is that I don't understand how you would make a pilot resume any different than anyother. What kind of suggestions would a paying pilot get from you about their resume? A pilot resume is pretty straight forward, I know you know this since it is your specialty.

Good luck with the affair


Respectfully,

NYR

Sorry about spelling and grammar, as you can tell it's not my strong point.

 

[USMCAirWinger]

Ok peeps...concentrate...don't hijack my thread...back to TABEXPRESS FO

 

[Resume Writer]

NYR,

Sometimes when people come to me they do not have everything listed that they should. I consistently find out that they have not listed their hours correctly. (it depends what they should list depending upon their level of experience) That is just one example.

My format is very easy to read and I have used it for over 18 years. Most times people do not differentiate themselves from everyone else. They do not give themselves enough credit and also do not cater their resume to the type of job they are seeking and what is important for that job. For instance, most corporate jobs want to see a great deal of customer service. It all depends on what the person is looking for...

Like I said, every person is different, so to pin down exactly what I do differently with each person is kind of hard.

Kathy

 

[TonyC]

Re: Re: You did get it wrong

My perspective is comming from an airline pilot/line pilot. Neither of you are airline pilots. I just found the posts curious, and oddly enough, where ever resume writer posts...you post.

Some pilots may need help writing their resume...I have not meet any that need to pay someone for it. Heck you could post a generic one (resume) here and with the vast amount of experienced pilots and non-pilots........you would end up with a great resume free of charge.

I'd be interested to see what kind of resume you came up with on your own, NYRANGERS.

 

[NYRANGERS]

NYR,

Sometimes when people come to me they do not have everything listed that they should. I consistently find out that they have not listed their hours correctly. (it depends what they should list depending upon their level of experience) That is just one example.

My format is very easy to read and I have used it for over 18 years. Most times people do not differentiate themselves from everyone else. They do not give themselves enough credit and also do not cater their resume to the type of job they are seeking and what is important for that job. For instance, most corporate jobs want to see a great deal of customer service. It all depends on what the person is looking for...

Like I said, every person is different, so to pin down exactly what I do differently with each person is kind of hard.

Kathy

Sounds good Kathy.

Take care and best of luck,

NYR

 

[NYRANGERS]

Re: Re: Re: You did get it wrong

I'd be interested to see what kind of resume you came up with on your own, NYRANGERS.

Nothing special, pretty generic. I had a few versions over the years and had a lot of input and help from other pilots and friends. I looked at a few and modeled mine after it. Enough to get me a few airline jobs and even one at Delta Air Lines.

Please don't miss my point. I mean no disrespect to Kathy, I just did not understand her service. I would imagine the interview assistance would be a much bigger help in our profession. But if you needed help on your resume and paid for it, it doesn;t matter. Talk to some of your friends at FedEx and ask them to see their resume's. Chances are they will have an uncanny similarity.

NYR

 

[Long Time Gone]

No thread hijacking!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, where's the TAB FO lately? Haven't seen him around.

LTG

 

[bobbysamd]

Resumes

There are only a few ways to make a resume for a pilot (there is a reason for that). It is easy to do a little research and make one.

My perspective is comming from an airline pilot/line pilot. Neither of you are airline pilots. I just found the posts curious, and oddly enough, where ever resume writer posts...you post.

Kathy joined the board only recently. I've been here for 2 1/2 years. She's joined in on issues of common interest.

Some pilots may need help writing their resume...I have not meet any that need to pay someone for it. Heck you could post a generic one (resume) here and with the vast amount of experienced pilots and non-pilots........you would end up with a great resume free of charge.

Perhaps. I resisted Kit's salesmen's efforts years ago to have FAPA work-up my resume. Instead, I cribbed off his format. I did get airline interviews off my materials, which would support your point, but very few when compared to the number of forests I felled for resume and cover letter paper. While I believe I know why I really didn't get more interviews, perhaps Kathy's help might have resulted in more interviews. Of course, hindsight is always 20/20. Just the same, we have needed H.R.'s perspective on hiring, interviewing and career-building for some time, and I'm glad that Kathy has joined our group.

 

[CFI'er]

Re: Re: Re: A more intelligent TAB discussion . . .

The number of pilots looking for a job is way out of line. I agree that a good number are furloughed, but that number should not be included in total looking for pilot positions. Lets face the facts and look at the number of regionals that are hiring each month. The myth is just that, a myth. Unless the big "Academies" are stretching the facts, they report new regional hires for former students hired on their schools website. A lot of the pilots looking for pilot positions are not qualified. To say that 15,000 pilots looking for work is just plane(sic) incorrect.

 

[TonyC]

Re: Re: Re: Re: You did get it wrong

Please don't miss my point. I mean no disrespect to Kathy, I just did not understand her service. I would imagine the interview assistance would be a much bigger help in our profession. But if you needed help on your resume and paid for it, it doesn;t matter. Talk to some of your friends at FedEx and ask them to see their resume's. Chances are they will have an uncanny similarity.

NYR

You missed my point. Based on your flippant attitude towards resumes, your assumption that they're all alike save for the name, SSAN, and number of flight hours, and your apparent lack of attention to detail in the areas of grammar, spelling, and punctuation, I was curious to see the quality of your home-grown product.

I have seen numerous resumes submitted by numerous individuals in the pursuit of numerous positions, and I have observed that there is not a single template that adequately accomadates them all. If all the employer was interested in was number of hours, we could all save ourselves the trouble and just fill out some sort of computer sheet - - darken the bubbles.

That's NOT the way it is. Cover letters and resumes have an impact that far exceeds their simple utility of conveying basic facts. And as long as human beings continue to review them, Kathy's services will be valuable. I doubt many of her clients characterize her product as "Nothing special, pretty generic."