T-38 landing speed

[Huggyu2]

I don't think there were any T-38's from NASA there. If you saw a couple of black T-38's tail numbers 429 and 270), that was my 2-ship, and we're from Beale AFB. We left this morning.
As stated previously, the flapped approach speed with 1500# would be 160 KIAS.
The landing speed (with flaps), would be 135 KIAS (130 KIAS + 1 knot for each 100# above 1000# of fuel).
The way it is taught is to fly final at 155+fuel, cross the threshold at 145+fuel, and touchdown at 130+fuel.
For a no flap, at 15 knots to all the above speeds.

 

[Gorilla]

I always used "Mr. AOA Donut." I couldn't do such math.

 

[SIG600]

I always used "Mr. AOA Donut." I couldn't do such math.

Amen.

 

[talondriver]

I always used "Mr. AOA Donut." I couldn't do such math.

I agree with the donut but I've seen some bogus approach AOA's doing FCFs. But I guess that's why we do the FCFs.

With the C model they've bump up the approach speed to 160 plus gas.

.8-1.3 AOA on final? In a '38? I like .6-ish AOA but that's just me. If I see 1.3 AOA I think I'd be in blower cuttin' through the tweet pattern (helicopter pattern here at WGA) if not sinking like a rock.

 

[Gorilla]

I agree with the donut but I've seen some bogus approach AOA's doing FCFs. But I guess that's why we do the FCFs.

Agreed. A quick cross-check of AOA and airspeed reasonableness is part of using the AOA as the primary device.

The T-38 is one of the jets that "talks" to you at higher AOA's. The F-15 and especially the F-4 did as well. Distinct levels of rumbling, and certain control mushiness were obvious after enough time in the jet.

One thing about the F-16 that was odd to me - I just had a couple of rides during DACT deployments - was that during the fight, the ride was smoooth, all the way up to the point where we fluttered from the sky like a leaf with zero energy, while the F-15's formed a box pattern and took turns gunning us.

The F-16 didn't talk to me... she was quiet. Maybe I wasn't listening properly.

 

[Scrapdog]

Agreed. A quick cross-check of AOA and airspeed reasonableness is part of using the AOA as the primary device.

The T-38 is one of the jets that "talks" to you at higher AOA's. The F-15 and especially the F-4 did as well. Distinct levels of rumbling, and certain control mushiness were obvious after enough time in the jet.

One thing about the F-16 that was odd to me - I just had a couple of rides during DACT deployments - was that during the fight, the ride was smoooth, all the way up to the point where we fluttered from the sky like a leaf with zero energy, while the F-15's formed a box pattern and took turns gunning us.

The F-16 didn't talk to me... she was quiet. Maybe I wasn't listening properly.

The F-16 doesn't talk to you - at least not in the same sense as the F-15. I had the privledge of flying the F-15 on active duty and now have the privledge of the flying the F-16 in the ANG. Having a couple of rides in the backseat of the Viper is definetly not enough time to get the "feel" of the jet. While I still have a lot to learn in BFM'ing with the F-16, I will say if you keep your knots up, you're smart with your Em management, and you have a GE motor in the Viper against a crappy Pratt 100, you'll outrate the Eagle everytime. And if you get in a slow speed fight in the Viper, you may lose 3/9 for a potato, but you'll quickly have the ability to take it over the top where the Eagle will fall off first. Then you'll be gunning the Eagle instead...

 

[airplane wizard]

I don't think there were any T-38's from NASA there. If you saw a couple of black T-38's tail numbers 429 and 270), that was my 2-ship, and we're from Beale AFB. We left this morning.


you must be one of the U-2 pilots that I talked with on Friday There was a Nasa T-38 there on the first day (Monday)