T-38 landing speed

[TR4A]

600 lbs at landing? That sounds like the old Lear days with the low fuel light on!

Turns on the "Mission Complete" light. AKA "Master Caution" and fuel low light.

 

[Scrapdog]

600 lbs at landing? That sounds like the old Lear days with the low fuel light on!

What exactly is the difference between old Lear days and new Lear days? Isn't this about flying the T-38?

 

[Andy]

0.8-1.3 depending on what type of sortie. Ballpark.

I'll buy the .8. On the high side, I think that I logged one T-3 sortie (dual IP) for 2.2 or something like that. We were flying west into a 150+ kt headwind @ FL390. We had enough fuel to get in a touch and go; back to the chocks without illuminating the mission complete light. However, my bladder full light came on prior to descent.

 

[AeroDork]

What exactly is the difference between old Lear days and new Lear days? Isn't this about flying the T-38?

Well pardon the hell outta him! We all weren't fortunate enough to be cool enough to fly T-38's, and I think he was simply trying to correlate his past days flying a lowly civilian airplane with the same engines - minus the afterburners.

How dare he try to join in a conversation with a fighter jock!

 

[Scrapdog]

Well pardon the hell outta him! We all weren't fortunate enough to be cool enough to fly T-38's, and I think he was simply trying to correlate his past days flying a lowly civilian airplane with the same engines - minus the afterburners.

How dare he try to join in a conversation with a fighter jock!

Wow - someone took this way too personal!! I didn't know that they had the same motors...if you would have said that, I would have then understood his correlation. And he's welcome to join the conversation with me anytime, he doesn't have to dare.

 

[Huggyu2]

I don't think there were any T-38's from NASA there. If you saw a couple of black T-38's tail numbers 429 and 270), that was my 2-ship, and we're from Beale AFB. We left this morning.
As stated previously, the flapped approach speed with 1500# would be 160 KIAS.
The landing speed (with flaps), would be 135 KIAS (130 KIAS + 1 knot for each 100# above 1000# of fuel).
The way it is taught is to fly final at 155+fuel, cross the threshold at 145+fuel, and touchdown at 130+fuel.
For a no flap, at 15 knots to all the above speeds.

 

[Gorilla]

I always used "Mr. AOA Donut." I couldn't do such math.

 

[SIG600]

I always used "Mr. AOA Donut." I couldn't do such math.

Amen.

 

[talondriver]

I always used "Mr. AOA Donut." I couldn't do such math.

I agree with the donut but I've seen some bogus approach AOA's doing FCFs. But I guess that's why we do the FCFs.

With the C model they've bump up the approach speed to 160 plus gas.

.8-1.3 AOA on final? In a '38? I like .6-ish AOA but that's just me. If I see 1.3 AOA I think I'd be in blower cuttin' through the tweet pattern (helicopter pattern here at WGA) if not sinking like a rock.

 

[Gorilla]

I agree with the donut but I've seen some bogus approach AOA's doing FCFs. But I guess that's why we do the FCFs.

Agreed. A quick cross-check of AOA and airspeed reasonableness is part of using the AOA as the primary device.

The T-38 is one of the jets that "talks" to you at higher AOA's. The F-15 and especially the F-4 did as well. Distinct levels of rumbling, and certain control mushiness were obvious after enough time in the jet.

One thing about the F-16 that was odd to me - I just had a couple of rides during DACT deployments - was that during the fight, the ride was smoooth, all the way up to the point where we fluttered from the sky like a leaf with zero energy, while the F-15's formed a box pattern and took turns gunning us.

The F-16 didn't talk to me... she was quiet. Maybe I wasn't listening properly.