Sympathy for the recently furloughed

[RueterF16]

Get A life

Matt, I'm sorry you couldn't make it in the military. Somebody who complained louder than you, got thatpromotion and teh assignment of their dreams, or better yet, they fulfilled their obligation after being suckered in to an eight year commitment, and went to the airlines. Big deal, get over it. Just because they've been furloughed and have a skill that the Military requires doesn't mean you can complain about them wanting bacl in. So what if they complained??? Get a life..... and do something about being a human being...

 

[Magic]

Good laugh

While I have better things to do than respond to the fool that started this thread, I had to help out those of you trying to find "Maj Matt Mason." Major Matt Mason was a toy from the 60s. I got one for Christmas in 1968. They were like small G.I. Joes in outer space. He even has a picture of one under his name. Just thought I'd save anyone else from trying to find some idiot named "Matt." I did get a good laugh from the efforts though!

 

[Magic]

By the way, I'm pretty sure the reconojet and spacesled were vehicles you get for him to ride in. I had the spacesled but we weren't rich enough to afford no reconojet!

 

[Focus]

This individual is not worthy of your responses. I grew up on Air Force installations through the mid 60's, 70's, and early 80's. Grant it, I did not always live in base housing but I was always close enough to know the basics of what the military was about. My father spent 26 years Active Duty. The first four were as an enlisted man in the Navy. I joined the scene when he was a Butterball at Macdill. My father was passed over for 06 a couple years after I graduated from college. At that time he decided to leave the military and start a new career. I can honestly say that during those times I have never seen my father so distraught. It wasn't because he was passed over however. The military was his life. He loved it...

There are many days that I wish I followed in his footsteps but I was a pretty wild kid back then and I thought I knew alot more then Dad. The reality is that Dad was always right on target.

The military is a great place to learn some of the most important values of the freedom that we as Americans enjoy. I now look back and wish I had been more mature and responsible in my college days to have seen the light. I had a scolarship to one of the Military Academy Prep Schools that I scoffed at back then. Had I only known then what I know now.

Many of you that are reading this were wiser then me and seized the opportunity to join the ranks of some of the finest Americans in our country. I really dont know where this guy is coming from but for what its worth you earned the right to enjoy any and all privledges our country has to offer. After all, you guys have been providing the blanket of freedom we all sleep under.

I salute you all.

PS. If its not to late I would love to sign up.....At 38, it probably could not be waiverd. Rock on Boyzzzzz

 

[SpeedRacer]

Reply to Major Mason and DaveGriffin

To begin with, you both can kiss my a$$. I did my 10 years in the USAF and bitched the whole time - who the heck are you to say you've got to shut up and like it? Maybe for idiots like yourself but not me!

I received the "standard awards", NEVER failed any checkride and helped my friends along the way. I served my country and went on to better things - my life doesn't revolve around the military - I never required that "structure" that losers like you depend on! Also, life's to short to deal with all the crappy so-called "benefits" Uncle Sam throws at you(Q-how's that wonderful retirement/TRICARE/BX privledges you're looking forward to?!)

I bet you're scared to get out because you won't be able to boss others around and get away with it. You guys were always
"wrapped" too tight for normal society....

From "DaveGriffin"

I never liked or respected the unhappy, short timers (4-10 year mini-careers) who readily accepted their training and paychecks, and then bitched and moaned the whole time about how f****d up the military is.

I got news for you "Dave" - tough crap! Life's a choice, me and many more chose to speak out against the morons, like yourself, who were "running" the squadrons (and moral) into the dirt - the ENTIRE time kissing some O-5's butt to get yourself promoted. You guys/gals were ALWAYS crappy pilots and officers - period.

I'm glad I bitched AND I'm out flying for a major airline, so when you losers get passed over or you're forced to separate and get (you hope) an airline job - you'll be at the bottom of a seniority list kissing a schedulers' butt's (naturally) for any flying. You'll probably even cross the fence and become a manager because you can't hack it on the line- everyone knows managers are crappy pilots too!! I'm sure guys/gals like you will fit right in!

I look forward to your response

 

[AlbieF15]

Speed,

I have worked with a variety of supervisors in my 14 year career, some good, some bad. I'm not there yet, but some pretty smart folks mentioned to me I'd find the same in the airlines, both on the line and in management. By the same token, there are happy airline pilots and miserable airline pilots, and it seems to me about 85% of the difference is attitude.

If you served a day for your country..you did a service that many never do. I don't care if you were dropping bombs, flying cargo, passing gas, or flying DVs around in a C-21...you did what your country asked. I'm glad you were on the team.

I'm also glad you found your niche in civilian aviation. I hope to join you there in 2 weeks. In the meantime--how about remembering a little board etiquitte? I am getting out...I agreed that the grass for me was greener on the outside. However...rants against guys who stay in with terms like "loser" and "too scared to get out" don't do justice to the guys who stay in. Right now there are friends of mine scattered across the globe in some crappy places far from family. They are there to impose our national will on those who would do us harm. They aren't there for the pay...you can't pay me enough to enjoy 120 days away from the family at a pop. (Navy guys do this routinely on cruises) You may think being a well-paid airline pilot buys you security, but another shoe bomb or hijack that doesn't get thrwarted may very well mean more furloughs, airlines going out of business, etc. Especially in aviation, right now your job security is on the razors edge...and the success of our military operations have a direct effect on your economic livlihood. If I were you, I'd be very thankful there are people willing to try to stay in 20-30 years and doing the leadership jobs--making due with much less money than you (and hopefully me soon) will be making, and being greatful for the (often closed) commissary and (overpriced and poorly serviced) Bx/Px exhanges.

Again--I'm getting out...happily! I also saw some non-effective officers and poor policies. I also worked with some of the best people I have ever met. However...I am forever indebted to those guys who stick it out, move every three years, endure the remotes, work the 14 hour days, and, oh yeah, occassionally die doing their jobs. If they weren't there making sacrifices, you can bet the "our Delta is better than SWA who is better than United" BS banter would become moot in about 48 hours.

As always...fly safe. And try to play nice.

Albie

 

[AlbieF15]

Speed,

I also noticed you aren't on the list of site contributers. Perhaps you'd have a few more dollars to spend on worthwhile endevors if you still could shop at the commissary.



For all you guys interested in the SCAB LIST thread...are non-contributers to the board to be treated with similar contempt?



Fly safe,

Albie

 

[SpeedRacer]

Reply

Albie,

This board's "etiquitte" is not in jeopardy by my honest opinion's concerning certain military career wannabee's (Maj Mason/DaveGriffin)and their dislike for people leaving after their commitment is up. I volunteered for 8 yrs after UPT and got my current airline job because of the hard work I put into my flying career - no one gave me any free rides - I busted my butt in every squadron and never asked for any recognition.

I don't have to be politically correct or "sugar-coat" my comments when responding to idiots like these guys. I chose to make a comment on the board, even if they were trying to "flame" some responses - that's what I call a livey discussion.

I do know several losers who stayed in and they flat out said they couldn't get hired because : one said "he never liked taking checkrides", another said "his miserable checkride history of several failures would get him shot down" and another who said " he preferred to lead men" WHAT the HECK that means is still beyond me because this guy was the fartherst one can get from a "leader".

I do know several good guys staying in the Air Force because of the obvious furloughes and one even wanted to serve his country - I respect these guys for their honesty.

Finally, I contributed money via my church to help the victims and families of 9-11. I enjoy reading/posting this board but don't believe in contributing to any internet site/company or board that I can't fully verify where my money is going. I can do that at my church.

You can stick that SCAB threat in your ear or WHEREVER you "twin tail f@gs" like to put things nowadays

P.S. Please tell me you didn't send your crewchief knee pads for Christmas - I bet he already has a pair!

 

[AlbieF15]

SR,

The money for the board was not for charity, it was for webmaster expenses. I also give to church, but last I heard none of that money was subsidizing the "flamebait" you seem to enjoy fighting.

And while I never had to, I'm sure there are tons of non-fighter pilots out there who would have gladly had homo-sexual relations with a crew chief if it would have gotten them into the world's greatest air superiority fighter. However--I'm fortunate in that at least so far, none of my squadron mates or maintainers have ever approached me for such an offer. Do I exude heterosexuality...maybe...or perhaps I'm just ugly. However..I do know when it comes to fighter pilots, there are those who flew the Eagle and those who wished the did.... The 104:0 kill ratio speaks for itself.

The other point I want to emphasize is I know TONs of guys who are making a career, and it has nothing to do with dollars. One of my best buddies from my current squadron is soaking up a staff remote in Korea at the moment. Why does he stay? Perhaps the fact his dad was killed in an F-4 when he was a junior has something to do with it. Be very careful with the "idiot" and "loser" terms...you just might offend someone who really is helping you accomplish YOUR dreams. Yeah, we all know there are some in the forces that would starve on the outside, but there are also some very talented aviators that simply have made the choice to stay.

Fly safe...and pay up.

Albie

PS...if you are so proud of your service, why do you put "USAF junk" as your description. Was the plane you flew "beneath" your talent or skill?

 

[SpeedRacer]

Albie,

I got a laugh out of your response! I don't know what "caliber" of people think it's worth a homo experience to fly a fighter jet but I think they're crazy! I've heard several true stories over the years and they all seem to center around the F-15 community....

We're not in the O'Club so you can forget the fighter bravado - Your "meathead mentality" is exactly what I found ridiculous about how seriously you guys took yourselves....lighten up Francis!!

By the way, I never addressed folks who stay in for personal/family reasons -

? Perhaps the fact his dad was killed in an F-4 when he was a junior has something to do with it. Be very careful with the "idiot" and "loser" terms...you just might offend someone who really is helping you accomplish YOUR dreams

- don't try to misdirect my origional comments toward Maj Mason and Griffin guy....nice try Albie..

My USAF junk is really that! The C-141 literally had a wing fall off and it's long overdue for retirement. Also, I am neither talented or skilled - just a hard worker grateful to have the opportunity

P.S. I AM jealous with one point: I joined wanting to fly the OV-10 but the USAF retired them right when I signed up - timing is everything!

 

[AlbieF15]

SR,

I'll drop the fighter bravado now that you acknowledge a few good bros still serve...'nuf said.

141 warhorse was a neat bird, too--especially if it took you for 3-5 years to Charleston...not a bad life.

OV-10 was fun, but after assignment night when you get your RIPs and see "AGOS" you go "WTFO?" You learn about 50% of your job is on the ground with the Army as a ground FAC. You know your aren't in Kansas anymore when part of your job description is keeping qualified in the M-16 (and I'm NOT kidding). Let me tell you...the Army REALLY listens to an AF 2Lt when he makes suggestions on using Air Power during an exercise...(NOT!)

My OV-10 bought me several ground TDYs, including REFORGER and Hoenfels Training Excercise TDYs to Europe. You haven't been cold until you've been a wet, sleeping on the ground, Germany in the winter cold. I never appreciated the WWII footage of the battle of the bulge until I did that REFORGER one January.

The airplane was a hoot to fly....sort of a cross between a King Air and a citabria, if that makes any sense at all. Big and turbine like a King Air, slow and acro like a a citabria. You could stop the plane in 600 feet with reverse thrust. Single engine was its only threat...like many light twins it would roll and its back and kill you if you got below Vmc and ignored your feet. Otherwise...it was a slow, forgiving, fun little plane. (Eagle guys turn your heads away and don't read this...) and dropping bombs and shooting rockets on the range was a blast.

Now...the other thing the assignment got me was a front row seat with the Army during the Gulf War. Let me emphatically state I DID NOT FEEL LUCKY AT ALL about that at the time. Everyone I knew was flying, and I was in a war on the ground, for heaven's sake! I later learned the Marines lost one of their OV-10Ds (and maybe two...any Semper Fi types know?) early in the campaign. The airplane was simply not equipeed to deal with the the SA-7/14/16 type threats, and was slow enough to get DRILLED by triple A if you got too low. So...maybe I was in a better place on the ground... Anyway...like most USAF OV-10 guys, the good news was your ALFA tour was done, you learned a bit about yourself and your sister services, and you typically moved on to a pretty good fighter job afterwards. After the war, we flew about another 10 months, then parceled off our planes to the boneyard, the Phillipines, Columbia, Venuzula, and the BLM.

As for the 141...I guess we answered the question "what's the worst that can happen if we keep flying them another 5 years?" Glad nobody got hurt...

Fly safe....

 

[DaveGriffin]

OV-10

AlbieF15;
The OV-10 was the only aircraft we jumped where the pilots had ejection seats (although the USMC drivers said the ejection system consisted simply of a 1/2 lbs block of TNT under the seat pan).
A high speed, low level run, followed by an abrupt vertical climb where we would exit the open back end at about 3,000 feet, made for some fun jumping.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Do I exude heterosexuality...maybe...or perhaps I'm just ugly.

I think its the latter. I can speak with confidence since I've met him in person! Only kidding.......he's a handsome men.

Honestly guys, I think that Albie just needs to stay away from the computer after he loses video games against his kids.

Actually, Albie is one of the most stand up guys I have ever met in this profession. I look forward to maybe flying with him one day. He can teach me about "the merge" and "green bags, crud, and ray bans" and I can teach him about FA's.....oops, I mean the FMS and Autopilot.

-Neal

 

[DaveGriffin]

Otherwise...(the OV-10) was a slow, forgiving, fun little plane. (Eagle guys turn your heads away and don't read this...) and dropping bombs and shooting rockets on the range was a blast.

Fly safe....

AlbieF15

If the Eagle was capable of handling some ordinance (especially the new guided stuff) you F-15 guys might be getting a little time as the F-18's have been. After all the hours the USN pilots are putting on those Hornets they will have to get new airplanes.

Fly Navy.

 

[Mud Eagle]

If the Eagle was capable of handling some ordinance (especially the new guided stuff) you F-15 guys might be getting a little time as the F-18's have been.

The F-15E can actually carry *more* munitions and a *wider variety* of munitions than the Bug. The reason the Bug has been getting so much action instead of the Eagle is that the Hornet can be based from a boat.

 

[DaveGriffin]

F-15E

The F-15E can actually carry *more* munitions and a *wider variety* of munitions than the Bug. The reason the Bug has been getting so much action instead of the Eagle is that the Hornet can be based from a boat.

Mud Eagle;
Your absolutely right about the F-15E. I was referring to AlbieF15's air superiority Eagle.
However, in the time you guys can fly one F-15E in from PSAB, the F/A-18 Hornet can conduct 3 or more sorties from the boat.

Fly Navy

 

[ExAF]

Re: F-15E

Mud Eagle;
Your absolutely right about the F-15E. I was referring to AlbieF15's air superiority Eagle.
However, in the time you guys can fly one F-15E in from PSAB, the F/A-18 Hornet can conduct 3 or more sorties from the boat.

Fly Navy

That may be true, but I'll bet the one F-15E can get more ordnance on target in the one trip than the bug can in the 3 trips to the boat and back.
FLY, FIGHT & WIN...GO AF!

 

[RueterF16]

The Bug

Not to mention that the "Bug" needs to be replaced anyway, regardless of the hours they're getting right now. Small, short legs.. may fly a lot right now but..... Could be the reason it was first runner up to the Viper during the late Seventies push for the lightweight multi-role fighter program.....

Great nose position authority though.......

 

[DaveGriffin]

Re: Re: F-15E

That may be true, but I'll bet the one F-15E can get more ordnance on target in the one trip than the bug can in the 3 trips to the boat and back.
FLY, FIGHT & WIN...GO AF!

If that's the case then why are the Navy pilots getting all the time over target and wearing out their airplanes?



Don't get me wrong, the F-15 and the USAF are great. Without them there would be a lot of fighter jocks who require long, stable runways and prefer short deployments that wouldn't otherwise have the opportunity to seek and destroy the enemies of freedom.

Fly Navy

 

[PHX767]

Ah, you can feel the love in this thread.

For the flamer: Let's give him a HIM! I know you military guys know this one - "HIM! HIM! (blank) HIM!"