SWAPA/ATN process agreement update

[Music]

...So far it appears the "silent majority" haven't spoken.......... or don't exist.

Gup

We exist (I guess this doesn't make me 'silent' anymore). Just reading and listening. From my perspective, with all due respect to everyone here, the impression is that we (AirTran pilots) have nothing to offer moving forward and should just get in line at the back of the bus and accept our new positions. And above all, be grateful that we have jobs. Not just any job mind you, a Southwest job.

Again, this is just an impression from someone who has been relatively silent. Of course, there have been Southwest pilots here that have been respectful and constructive and to them I am certainly appreciative. Likewise, there have been AirTran pilots here (or those posing as ones) that give the impression that we are intolerant and narrow-minded. That too is not the norm, of course.

My parents taught me to have respect for others and not to judge, especially when you have nothing to base your opinions on but hearsay and conjecture. Of course, that goes both ways.

 

[orangebellyav8r]

Music...welcome and the beer is on us when we are all one.

 

[zman]

We exist (I guess this doesn't make me 'silent' anymore). Just reading and listening. From my perspective, with all due respect to everyone here, the impression is that we (AirTran pilots) have nothing to offer moving forward and should just get in line at the back of the bus and accept our new positions. And above all, be grateful that we have jobs. Not just any job mind you, a Southwest job.

Again, this is just an impression from someone who has been relatively silent. Of course, there have been Southwest pilots here that have been respectful and constructive and to them I am certainly appreciative. Likewise, there have been AirTran pilots here (or those posing as ones) that give the impression that we are intolerant and narrow-minded. That too is not the norm, of course.

My parents taught me to have respect for others and not to judge, especially when you have nothing to base your opinions on but hearsay and conjecture. Of course, that goes both ways.

You sound like a Southwest pilot. Are you guys becoming that desperate? LOL

 

[Music]

Music...welcome and the beer is on us when we are all one.

Thanks. Look forward to it. :beer:

You sound like a Southwest pilot. Are you guys becoming that desperate? LOL

No shenanigans here. I really AM an AirTran pilot (for the record, since you asked).

 

[crj410]

Just look at how SWAPA treated the Frontier guys. It's good your lawyers are being careful.

Frontier wanted realitive seniority, DEN base forever, 3000 month for their furloughed pilots and health benefits. Just how did Swapa treat the frontier pilots. There seniority integration looks real good now that all republic captains are in front off all frontier captains. Swapa would have pay protected them all, and FO's would have gotten a substantial increase in pay, 60% . Better to be at the bottom of the list of a stable growing company. than be meshed into a regional carrier. Frontier guys lost a great deal of money, for what? I feel sorry for alot of their pilot group, who in my opinion got hosed by a few top pilots, who cant pull the seniority stick out of their a**. You really need to rethink your math on how SWAPA treated the frontier pilots. frontier negotiators didnt even return swapa's phone calls. They were sold down the river by their own pilot group.

 

[Bill Nelson]

Better to be at the bottom of the list of a stable growing company.

They wouldn't have been there long. SWA has already hired a couple of hundred and we are about to put another 1700 on the list.

 

[Skyboy722]

There seniority integration looks real good now that all republic captains are in front off all frontier captains.

Just to clarify: this is not what happened at all. I'm not saying it wasn't bad for the F9ers but the above statement is false.

 

[redflyer65]

Pay protections with Southwest or merge with Bedford? That was the basic choice, and they wanted to stay in Denver. The choice was made by a few at the top.

The phone calls to SWAPA were not returned because they had already made the deal with Republic.

 

[jonjuan]

How will post Libya attack oil increase affect at and swa profitability/loss and the leverage it gives either party during sli arbitration?

 

[Tripower455]

How will post Libya attack oil increase affect at and swa profitability/loss and the leverage it gives either party during sli arbitration?

Maybe it will make the whole deal go away. That would make both pilot groups happy, right?

 

[waveflyer]

How will post Libya attack oil increase affect at and swa profitability/loss and the leverage it gives either party during sli arbitration?

It's tough, no doubt- but the real question is- how will it affect all airlines and what is our position relative to them?

 

[CaptWidgeon]

Maybe it will make the whole deal go away. That would make both pilot groups happy, right?

yep.

i know i'd prefer that, along with a lot of other swa guys.

 

[Tripower455]

yep.

i know i'd prefer that, along with a lot of other swa guys.

It appears that the ATN guys would prefer it too, so let's all keep our fingers and toes crossed!

 

[SWA/FO]

How will post Libya attack oil increase affect at and swa profitability/loss and the leverage it gives either party during sli arbitration?

SWA could pull outta the deal.

After deal go thru Gary does have options as cuts if any come from the red headed step child, tranny. However, don't worry my tranny friends - Southwest has a great record when it comes to furloughs. You have to have a little faith.

Which reminds me of a story: I interviewed without the type, I got the phone call from the people department saying "we want you to continue in the process, don't quit your day job" - I asked, "what does that mean?" She said " go get a type and we will put you in class". I enrolled in type class ASAP, Lltalking to my father-in-law a few days later and he thought I was crazy to be going to get a type without getting my job offer in writing from Southwest... He just shook his head at me. I told him, if I demand anything in writing they will not do it and they probably will not hire me. I offer this advise to my future SWAPA brothers.... Don't push to hard, SWA can be tough. FWIW

 

[redflyer65]

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[slaquer5]

Red, he did not get terminated for just a pair of pants. I knew him well and it was a lot of litttle things that he did, that had SWA cut him Loose . Also he was great guy that would give you the shirt off his back.

 

[redflyer65]

Sorry if I got it wrong, I deleted the post. It was just the way the story was told to me.

I've heard other stories similiar in nature, and have seen some up close. Just trying to comfirm SWA/FO's statement to not push too hard.

YMMV.