SWA transition bid needs to be reopened!

[texman]

True.

 

[redflyer65]

Hate to tell you Don, but we are hitting high oil production because of others, not Obama. Any change in the oil industry plays out 5-10 years from now. Obama has reduced the number of leases and their length (if you can get one) over his tenure. He's blocked one of the most important pipelines to date thanks to his 'green' lobby. We have literally hundreds of pipelines that criss cross this country now. We have a massive pipeline that runs right through Atlanta that runs from the gulf to the northeast. They alternate between crude and refined gasoline. Its been there for YEARS.

Our production of oil right now is in spite of Obama, not because of him.

As far as higher MPG, I'm glad we've made those advances no matter who gets the credit. It's better for everyone.

What worries me the most is our industry has only one product it can burn, and every single airline is beholden to it. Could be trouble ahead.

 

[DonVerita]

Lets be real, the green lobby has nothing to do with me buying a car that gets over 40MPG.

Only you can decide which car you want to buy; that's obvious. What the "green lobby" did was have a hand in giving you high (relatively speaking) mpg cars to choose from. Had we done nothing, all we would have in choices would be gas guzzlers.

Increasing efficiencies and especially CAFE is good for the country, the consumer, and the environment. Sadly, this is opposed at every turn by Big Oil and the GOP.

 

[Ty Webb]

Don,

MPG started improving in the 70's as a result of high oil prices under Carter. That's when you started seeing Toyotas, Datsuns and Hondas being driven by everyday Americans. Anyone remember the colors of those early Japanese cars? uke:

Perhaps the "Green Lobby" kept the pressure on the government to push for continued improvements once the economic demand for high MPG dropped off again, but it seems to me that the original impetus for high MPG cars was the high price of gasoline at the pump.

 

[DonVerita]

Hate to tell you Don, but we are hitting high oil production because of others, not Obama. Any change in the oil industry plays out 5-10 years from now. Obama has reduced the number of leases and their length (if you can get one) over his tenure. He's blocked one of the most important pipelines to date thanks to his 'green' lobby. We have literally hundreds of pipelines that criss cross this country now. We have a massive pipeline that runs right through Atlanta that runs from the gulf to the northeast. They alternate between crude and refined gasoline. Its been there for YEARS.

Our production of oil right now is in spite of Obama, not because of him.

As far as higher MPG, I'm glad we've made those advances no matter who gets the credit. It's better for everyone.

What worries me the most is our industry has only one product it can burn, and every single airline is beholden to it. Could be trouble ahead.

Red...sorry for the thread hijack. I'll say this and then be done with it so that we can get back on original topic.

The President is opening up oil and gas leases left and right. But he wants it done safely. That's why Keystone XL was blocked. I realize, like you, that we have pipelines all over the place. But this one was posing just too great a jeopordy to Midwest underground water supplies. Having said that, I do believe that if the proposed route gets modified a bit then the project will get approved. The other thing that has to change is the exporting parameters. As it stands now, a fair portion of that oil can be exported to China and other places rather than being kept for the U.S. domestic market. So in essence, this extremely dirty tar sands crude comes down the pipeline, endangers our water supplies and our environment should there be a leak (and they ALL leak to varying degrees), then the refining process belches out the most toxic waste into our air and the refined product gets loaded onto ships bound for someone else. Hardly fair to the U.S. This must be changed.

U.S. crude oil production has jumped 14% from 2008 to 2011, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Natural gas production is up by about 10% over the same period. The Obama administration plans to sell off oil and gas leases on 38 million acres of the Gulf of Mexico seafloor.
The leases could yield as much as 1 billion barrels of oil and 4 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, the Interior Department estimates.

The Administration also has plans for a dozen more lease sales through 2017, which it estimates will open up three-quarters of the recoverable oil and gas below the outer Continental Shelf.

All fine, as long as it is done safely. But we also must remember that even if the Drill Here Drill Now pundits got their way, it would take years for such action to move the markets and since we only own 3% of the world's oil reserves, the impact would be only 1 or 2 cents of price reduction.

I think we all can agree that fossil fuels are damaging to our environment and are a finite supply. They will run out. How many wars will be fought over that dwindling supply in the future? We must step up the pace of clean alternative energy solutions...or we will make ourselves extinct through our own hand. I am reminded of a lesson from the past - the last tree standing on Easter Island.

 

[Bulldog Price]

The Green Lobby does not produce anything. The engineers are the ones with ideas to increase MPG. The Green Lobby spends money doing research to support the need to keep their job. They do not produce anything, especially not engines that have better gas mileage.

 

[bravodude]

I seriously doubt Gary would furlough anyone, even on our side of the partition. If the 717s go away, he'll find a way to make sure that no one gets furloughed. No need to panic.

What the heck are you still doing here, I thought if we SWA ever bought you guys you would be gone! Leave man, leave!

 

[dicko]

That is 1 seat more than our current 767-200 configuration.

Quite remarkable considering the SWA 737-800 has exactly the same seat pitch (32inch) in economy as a Continental 767-200. The SWA seat back is also slimmer which will give more room. Probably an extra half inch.

The 737-800 also burns less gas.

 

[PTinbound]

I wouldn't worry about a furlough just yet (unless the economy gets a lot worse). I don't know if I speak for all SWA pilots, but I know I'd vote for a pay cut long before I'd see ANY Airtran pilot furloughed. We are one pilot group now. Welcome aboard!

 

[Ty Webb]

That is nice to hear, and much appreciated.

Regards,
Ty

 

[texman]

In regards to a pay cut, I think you would see both employee groups come together to find a solution not to furlough. If this came to us as a real issue ( which we are far from), the coming together as one would only benifit us in the long run.

 

[SIG600]

The Green Lobby does not produce anything. The engineers are the ones with ideas to increase MPG. The Green Lobby spends money doing research to support the need to keep their job. They do not produce anything, especially not engines that have better gas mileage.

Winner!

The demands of the free market create progress, not the "will" of supposed do gooders.

 

[learherkjay]

Really? I take it you're not one for facts.

Presidents don't influence the cost of fuel. External market forces coupled with supply & demand do. Right now we have both in play and there is nothing that you, me, or anyone else can do about it in the short term. The long term solution is to slowly reduce demand and eventually get off of a finite resource (oil).

Domestic oil production is higher under Obama than it was under Bush. We are currently importing less than 50% of our oil consumption. We have the highest petroleum exports in the last 30 years. Thanks to efficiencies, such as CAFE standards for one, we are consuming less oil than in 1995 even though the country has grown every year.

Try to keep in mind that the U.S. owns 3% of the world's oil reserves, yet consumes 25% of the world's supply. Tensions in the Middle East have been going on for hundreds of years. The current one will get resolved too. Oil prices were going down when we had a faltering economy so it is logical that they would go up during an improving economy like we have now. Couple that with consumption increases in foreign markets that weren't there a decade ago and this is what you get.

Hopefully your car gets 35+ mpg per gallon. If it does, you can thank the "green lobby" for that. Otherwise, you'd still be stuck at 15 mpg.

I don't usually get into political arguments, but I found this article funny since part of Obama's campaign against the Republicans aka the Bush presidency was the 'intolerable" gas prices of $3.50 in 2008. Seems Obama thought the President has control over gas prices, at least that's what he said in his campaign.imp:

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/291882/obama-2008-isnt-350gallon-gas-intolerable

 

[catIIIc]

Lets see who benefits if a republican is in office, the oil companies, who controls he price of oil, the oil companies. High gas prices hurt Obama and the economic recovery, the oil companies are just doing their part to get Obama out of office because of their bottom line.

 

[may]

Lets see who benefits if a republican is in office, the oil companies, who controls he price of oil, the oil companies. High gas prices hurt Obama and the economic recovery, the oil companies are just doing their part to get Obama out of office because of their bottom line.

&*%$ idiot, who then is at fault for the price of gold. Its a commodity you idiot. Explain how the repubs are controling the price of oil. You people with your "big oil" theories.....nevermind, just vote for Obama and make yourself feel good. how does that saying go "Voted for Obama, proved I'm not a racist, Now vote in 2012 and prove your not stupid."

 

[scoreboardII]

Only you can decide which car you want to buy; that's obvious. What the "green lobby" did was have a hand in giving you high (relatively speaking) mpg cars to choose from. Had we done nothing, all we would have in choices would be gas guzzlers.

Increasing efficiencies and especially CAFE is good for the country, the consumer, and the environment. Sadly, this is opposed at every turn by Big Oil and the GOP.

Sorry, you are wrong.

I had a 1975 VW diesel that got 45mpg city 55 hiway.

I have owened three motorcycles getting over 60MPG each.

All of these decades before green was green.

Your are wrong, the free market is giving us 40MPG vehicles, not obama and his socialists.

 

[catIIIc]

&*%$ idiot, who then is at fault for the price of gold. Its a commodity you idiot. Explain how the repubs are controling the price of oil. You people with your "big oil" theories.....nevermind, just vote for Obama and make yourself feel good. how does that saying go "Voted for Obama, proved I'm not a racist, Now vote in 2012 and prove your not stupid."

Nice with the name calling. I voted for Obama because I don't want religion anywhere near my government, I don't want the government to take away my ability to collectively bargin, I think stem cell research should be funded,I don't want to have to send my kids to private school because someone in the state legislature decided that creationism should be taught in public schools, and I believe that everyone should have access to health care even if I have to pay a little more in taxes to pay for it, just to name a few.

 

[Ty Webb]

Politics in this country has come down to trying to keep the Democrats out of our wallets, and the Republicans out of our bedrooms. :laugh:

 

[The Prussian]

...., and I believe that everyone should have access to health care even if I have to pay a little more in taxes to pay for it, just to name a few....

A little more in taxes...??!!?......good luck with that!!!

 

[SWA Bubba]

Politics in this country has come down to trying to keep the Democrats out of our wallets, and the Republicans out of our bedrooms. :laugh:

I don't have a problem with a Republican in my bedroom..... as long as she's good-looking. And willing to help.

Bubba

 

[DC10]

Nice with the name calling. I voted for Obama because I don't want religion anywhere near my government, I don't want the government to take away my ability to collectively bargin, I think stem cell research should be funded,I don't want to have to send my kids to private school because someone in the state legislature decided that creationism should be taught in public schools, and I believe that everyone should have access to health care even if I have to pay a little more in taxes to pay for it, just to name a few.

Yep, what he said!

 

[learherkjay]

Nice with the name calling. I voted for Obama because I don't want religion anywhere near my government, I don't want the government to take away my ability to collectively bargin, I think stem cell research should be funded,I don't want to have to send my kids to private school because someone in the state legislature decided that creationism should be taught in public schools, and I believe that everyone should have access to health care even if I have to pay a little more in taxes to pay for it, just to name a few.

The constitution provides protection from religious tyranny, although many don't understand the concept, as it was designed to keep government from infiltrating religion aka the Church of England, not the other way around.
While I admire your "idealism" I cringe that you expect government to handle all of those problems for you.
As far as creationism, it is free speech - I guess only free speech you like is allowed, as in intolerance in the name of tolerance.
As far as stem cell research, they have already discovered stem cells that are more accessible that provide more promise that don't come from fetal tissue, wouldn't have happened without forcing the scientific community to find a better way.
As far as collective bargaining, I don't think you really understand the difference between labor negotiating with private enterprise versus government unions negotiating against elected officials - a relationship best described as incest. There is a difference.
As far as healthcare, I would challenge you to research how well government health care is working out in other countries. I lived in Germany for three years and a friend of mine tore his knee ligament. After waiting 8 months for an appointment (his condition was not life-threatening so he was on standby), he was told that he was too old to have the knee repaired - he was 35 (i.e. not worth the cost to fix it)
Government is a necessary evil, but an evil all same. While you seem to have a stance on what you prefer, I fear you don't really understand what you are talking about...

If you think government can fix your problems, by all means, continue to vote the way you do. I worked for the government, and I can tell you it can do nothing well. And with each new government program created to manage our lives, it will cost more tax dollars to the people while creating absolutely nothing in economic terms - a sinkhole that will eventually crush our economy beyond repair..

 

[The Prussian]

The constitution provides protection from religious tyranny, although many don't understand the concept, as it was designed to keep government from infiltrating religion aka the Church of England, not the other way around.
While I admire your "idealism" I cringe that you expect government to handle all of those problems for you.
As far as creationism, it is free speech - I guess only free speech you like is allowed, as in intolerance in the name of tolerance.
As far as stem cell research, they have already discovered stem cells that are more accessible that provide more promise that don't come from fetal tissue, wouldn't have happened without forcing the scientific community to find a better way.
As far as collective bargaining, I don't think you really understand the difference between labor negotiating with private enterprise versus government unions negotiating against elected officials - a relationship best described as incest. There is a difference.
As far as healthcare, I would challenge you to research how well government health care is working out in other countries. I lived in Germany for three years and a friend of mine tore his knee ligament. After waiting 8 months for an appointment (his condition was not life-threatening so he was on standby), he was told that he was too old to have the knee repaired - he was 35 (i.e. not worth the cost to fix it)
Government is a necessary evil, but an evil all same. While you seem to have a stance on what you prefer, I fear you don't really understand what you are talking about...

If you think government can fix your problems, by all means, continue to vote the way you do. I worked for the government, and I can tell you it can do nothing well. And with each new government program created to manage our lives, it will cost more tax dollars to the people while creating absolutely nothing in economic terms - a sinkhole that will eventually crush our economy beyond repair..

Yep, what he said!

 

[Saluki Dawg]

The constitution provides protection from religious tyranny, although many don't understand the concept, as it was designed to keep government from infiltrating religion aka the Church of England, not the other way around.
While I admire your "idealism" I cringe that you expect government to handle all of those problems for you.
As far as creationism, it is free speech - I guess only free speech you like is allowed, as in intolerance in the name of tolerance.
As far as stem cell research, they have already discovered stem cells that are more accessible that provide more promise that don't come from fetal tissue, wouldn't have happened without forcing the scientific community to find a better way.
As far as collective bargaining, I don't think you really understand the difference between labor negotiating with private enterprise versus government unions negotiating against elected officials - a relationship best described as incest. There is a difference.
As far as healthcare, I would challenge you to research how well government health care is working out in other countries. I lived in Germany for three years and a friend of mine tore his knee ligament. After waiting 8 months for an appointment (his condition was not life-threatening so he was on standby), he was told that he was too old to have the knee repaired - he was 35 (i.e. not worth the cost to fix it)
Government is a necessary evil, but an evil all same. While you seem to have a stance on what you prefer, I fear you don't really understand what you are talking about...

If you think government can fix your problems, by all means, continue to vote the way you do. I worked for the government, and I can tell you it can do nothing well. And with each new government program created to manage our lives, it will cost more tax dollars to the people while creating absolutely nothing in economic terms - a sinkhole that will eventually crush our economy beyond repair..

Learherkjay gets it!:beer:

 

[fob727]

&*%$ idiot, who then is at fault for the price of gold. Its a commodity you idiot. Explain how the repubs are controling the price of oil. You people with your "big oil" theories.....nevermind, just vote for Obama and make yourself feel good. how does that saying go "Voted for Obama, proved I'm not a racist, Now vote in 2012 and prove your not stupid."

Great post!!

 

[catIIIc]

The constitution provides protection from religious tyranny, although many don't understand the concept, as it was designed to keep government from infiltrating religion aka the Church of England, not the other way around.
While I admire your "idealism" I cringe that you expect government to handle all of those problems for you.
As far as creationism, it is free speech - I guess only free speech you like is allowed, as in intolerance in the name of tolerance.
As far as stem cell research, they have already discovered stem cells that are more accessible that provide more promise that don't come from fetal tissue, wouldn't have happened without forcing the scientific community to find a better way.
As far as collective bargaining, I don't think you really understand the difference between labor negotiating with private enterprise versus government unions negotiating against elected officials - a relationship best described as incest. There is a difference.
As far as healthcare, I would challenge you to research how well government health care is working out in other countries. I lived in Germany for three years and a friend of mine tore his knee ligament. After waiting 8 months for an appointment (his condition was not life-threatening so he was on standby), he was told that he was too old to have the knee repaired - he was 35 (i.e. not worth the cost to fix it)
Government is a necessary evil, but an evil all same. While you seem to have a stance on what you prefer, I fear you don't really understand what you are talking about...

If you think government can fix your problems, by all means, continue to vote the way you do. I worked for the government, and I can tell you it can do nothing well. And with each new government program created to manage our lives, it will cost more tax dollars to the people while creating absolutely nothing in economic terms - a sinkhole that will eventually crush our economy beyond repair..

All valid points, I just don't agree with them. If you believe the republicans will stop at public unions, I am sorry but unions are the thorn in side of large corporations and until they are abolished along with those pesky labor laws, the republicans will always fight against organized labor. On the god and religion stuff, well we will have to
Agree to disagree on that because I won't force my belief system on anyone just like I don't want forced on me or my family. The problem I have with the right you either agree with them or not no compromise what so ever

 

[Lear70]

The constitution provides protection from religious tyranny, although many don't understand the concept, as it was designed to keep government from infiltrating religion aka the Church of England, not the other way around.
While I admire your "idealism" I cringe that you expect government to handle all of those problems for you.
As far as creationism, it is free speech - I guess only free speech you like is allowed, as in intolerance in the name of tolerance.
As far as stem cell research, they have already discovered stem cells that are more accessible that provide more promise that don't come from fetal tissue, wouldn't have happened without forcing the scientific community to find a better way.
As far as collective bargaining, I don't think you really understand the difference between labor negotiating with private enterprise versus government unions negotiating against elected officials - a relationship best described as incest. There is a difference.
As far as healthcare, I would challenge you to research how well government health care is working out in other countries. I lived in Germany for three years and a friend of mine tore his knee ligament. After waiting 8 months for an appointment (his condition was not life-threatening so he was on standby), he was told that he was too old to have the knee repaired - he was 35 (i.e. not worth the cost to fix it)
Government is a necessary evil, but an evil all same. While you seem to have a stance on what you prefer, I fear you don't really understand what you are talking about...

If you think government can fix your problems, by all means, continue to vote the way you do. I worked for the government, and I can tell you it can do nothing well. And with each new government program created to manage our lives, it will cost more tax dollars to the people while creating absolutely nothing in economic terms - a sinkhole that will eventually crush our economy beyond repair..

Well-said.

 

[C601]

I don't hear any black helicopters . . . . I think you can relax.

I chose the 717 (for commuting purposes) and I'm not sweating it.

Enjoy it while it lasts (flying the 717). Been on a public forum I'm not going to say much, but the 717s will start to be retired this year. Unless something changes, that's how it stands from a meeting.

Good Aircraft, but does not fit into SWs fleet requirements over the next 3-5 years, + given there expected deliveries of new aircraft this year.

 

[Ty Webb]

Enjoy it while it lasts (flying the 717). Been on a public forum I'm not going to say much, but the 717s will start to be retired this year. Unless something changes, that's how it stands from a meeting.

Good Aircraft, but does not fit into SWs fleet requirements over the next 3-5 years, + given there expected deliveries of new aircraft this year.

Good thing I haven't cracked a book yet . . .

Seriously, at the speed things happen in this industry, if they made the decision tomorrow, it would probably still be a year or more before much changed.

 

[humveedriver]

Enjoy it while it lasts (flying the 717). Been on a public forum I'm not going to say much, but the 717s will start to be retired this year. Unless something changes, that's how it stands from a meeting.

Good Aircraft, but does not fit into SWs fleet requirements over the next 3-5 years, + given there expected deliveries of new aircraft this year.

Slow news day at American? I too was at that meeting. It started at 5pm and ended at 7pm. Appetizers were half off. The amazing thing is, the more we drank, the easier it was to solve the worlds problems and predict exactly how the economy and industry would play out.