SWA transition bid needs to be reopened!

[IAHERJ]

Think its around 175. Puts us lower than VA and even Spirit.

Also it looks like the Max series might show up sooner than 2017. We'll see.

That is 1 seat more than our current 767-200 configuration.

 

[redflyer65]

The range from Boeing is 162 to 189.

 

[texman]

Iaherj,

Do feel the need to be a hater. It was a positive post. I have flown on CO many times you guys have a great product, but thank god you aren't the front runner of custer service. You attitude would scare the customers.

 

[On Your Six]

Have you ever seen the 757-300? I deadheaded on that once from Florida to DTW and it was incredibly packed, maybe 220 seats with a first class section. It took forever for the pax to get off the plane. I hear that one has the best CASM around, just a 757 stretched to the max. And what about all of those 737-900ERs we're getting starting next year? Those will have great CASM too.

As far as your 717s go, if Boeing got a good deal, they would take them off of SWA's hands quickly. That may be one way a certain airline can take another one out of certain markets, albeit smaller markets. I bet GK's statement has perked the ears of a few CEOs, or at least one.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[IAHERJ]

Have you ever seen the 757-300? I deadheaded on that once from Florida to DTW and it was incredibly packed, maybe 220 seats with a first class section. It took forever for the pax to get off the plane. I hear that one has the best CASM around, just a 757 stretched to the max. And what about all of those 737-900ERs we're getting starting next year? Those will have great CASM too.

As far as your 717s go, if Boeing got a good deal, they would take them off of SWA's hands quickly. That may be one way a certain airline can take another one out of certain markets, albeit smaller markets. I bet GK's statement has perked the ears of a few CEOs, or at least one.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

I hope at least two. Rumor has it we are looking for a 100 seat jet and having flown the 717 I'd really rather have it on property rather than the C-series or whatever they are looking at. The 717 is a great aircraft for short haul markets UAL/DAL want to operate with mainline equipment. I can understand SWA not wanting the aircraft as 88 aircraft just increase costs when you are operating 700 737's all of which are very similar in size.

Texman,

Just pointing out that having the lowest casm isn't always something to brag about. Of course, operating 767's around with only 174 seats isn't something I should be bragging about either as it obviously doesn't work(we are parking 5 of these -200's this year). RASM becomes more important on the longer routes. Why else would airlines like Emirates and Singapore be investing in premium class seating and services that add weight and certainly take up cabin space? They have forced airlines like mine to offer lie flat seats on just about every Trans-Atlantic flight(757's included). The result, passengers like them and are willing to pay(cold hard cash or beau coupes of dividend miles) to sit up there.

I'm not sure how my pointing out that cramming a lot of coach seats into another airline's cabin is not something to brag about somehow shows that I'm cranky and a liability to my own airline in terms of customer service. I interact with passengers all the time and enjoy going flying. In fact, I'm looking forward to my trip tomorrow.

 

[texman]

iaherj ,

I only pointed the focasm out to the AT peeps because the company and Swapa are working together to make sure the company is successful in the long run. The AT people on the other side of the fence are a little worried. I wasnt braging just stating this to assure the AT guys and girls there are some positives coming and no one is going to get furloughed.

 

[Bwipilot]

All the above revolves around one issue:

Thanks to Obama, we're paying too much for fuel. Think about that next time you plan to vote for a liberal who panders to the green lobby.

 

[IAHERJ]

All the above revolves around one issue:

Thanks to Obama, we're paying too much for fuel. Think about that next time you plan to vote for a liberal who panders to the green lobby.

And I thought I was responsible for the thread drift. Highest fuel we have ever seen in this country was under a Republican president from Texas of all places. We have seen just how interested the big business party of oil company worshipers has done for the price of oil. I'll give Obama another term.

 

[chris69]

Probably a shot accross the bow to both mechanics unions and the SWA FA's. The later has been brewing for awhile. Rumblings from DAL seem to indicate a strong desire to establish minimum work targets to get benefits. Quite a few "senior mama's" give all their trips away to run their side businesses (ie. real estate, Amway or whatever) but still cost the company through sick calls (when they can't give something away), vacation (5 weeks at 30-40 TFP per X $55.74 per TFP), Profit Sharing (PS) on the vacation and family health benefits costing "tens of thousands" per family. Again, this is for someone who has zero productivity and never shows up to work except for training. When the company was very junior, this wasn't a problem. It is now now that those top of scale trips are being picked up by other top of scale employees costing the company, and as GK would say, us, quite a lot in PS. Moral killer? I don't know. I just know some of the midgrade FA's are beginning to grumble about this issue. While the FA's still want the ability to take tons of time off if they need to, alot are starting to want to see some targets enforced over something like a 3 month rolling period. Not to say all the "senior mama's" are doing this. I just flew with one out of DAL 2 wks ago (7XX - almost 40yrs) who averages over 120 TFP every month. Proudly showed her pic from 1978 with the hot pants and all. Time had taken its toll.

 

[PCL_128]

I seriously doubt Gary would furlough anyone, even on our side of the partition. If the 717s go away, he'll find a way to make sure that no one gets furloughed. No need to panic.

 

[asaflyer]

GK's comments about the 717 in the WSJ have changed things dramatically. The 717 seems like it will be leaving real soon with furloughs coming that will be out of proper seniority order. I know those of us that elected to stay on the 717 took a chance, but the pilots have not begun to transition.

So I take it that you're a glass half empty kind of guy.

 

[DonVerita]

All the above revolves around one issue:

Thanks to Obama, we're paying too much for fuel. Think about that next time you plan to vote for a liberal who panders to the green lobby.

Really? I take it you're not one for facts.

Presidents don't influence the cost of fuel. External market forces coupled with supply & demand do. Right now we have both in play and there is nothing that you, me, or anyone else can do about it in the short term. The long term solution is to slowly reduce demand and eventually get off of a finite resource (oil).

Domestic oil production is higher under Obama than it was under Bush. We are currently importing less than 50% of our oil consumption. We have the highest petroleum exports in the last 30 years. Thanks to efficiencies, such as CAFE standards for one, we are consuming less oil than in 1995 even though the country has grown every year.

Try to keep in mind that the U.S. owns 3% of the world's oil reserves, yet consumes 25% of the world's supply. Tensions in the Middle East have been going on for hundreds of years. The current one will get resolved too. Oil prices were going down when we had a faltering economy so it is logical that they would go up during an improving economy like we have now. Couple that with consumption increases in foreign markets that weren't there a decade ago and this is what you get.

Hopefully your car gets 35+ mpg per gallon. If it does, you can thank the "green lobby" for that. Otherwise, you'd still be stuck at 15 mpg.

 

[scoreboardII]

Lets be real, the green lobby has nothing to do with me buying a car that gets over 40MPG.

 

[texman]

They just need to regulate wall street speculators.

 

[SIG600]

It's not speculation alone, it's also inflation.

"Energy prices need to neccesarily rise." Who said it, anyone?