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Perspective--Let's get a grip on how great it is!!!
Ok, I'm just a young tad at SWA...but trying to understand how we're not the cat's meow. In my first year with the company (MDW based) I had every major holiday off including Thanksgiving and Dec 24th through Jan 3rd off. Yes, I was home for Christmas, the entire week afterward including New Years Eve and New Years Day until I voluntarily picked something up starting on the 3rd. I tried for Voluntary VJA (time and a half) over the holidays, but was outbid by other greedy capitalists of this great country.
I just started my second year of pay, and thanks to our current ability to pick up extra trips, I bumped up my schedule to work 16 days in January to offset some Christmas bills (with ELITT I was able to move trips and get every saturday off). For these 16 days (only 14 days away from home...two layovers are in my commuter city) I'm going to be paid $9,500, which includes per deim. My roommate from Air Force Pilot training is a 9th year FO with Delta on the 767 Intl. We recently compared notes and he worked every major holiday last year and is making less on average per day than I make as a second year FO with SWA (to clarify, that was as an 8th year FO on domestic 767 routes..but he says with the new pay cut our second year daily pay will still be comprable to his 9th yr Intl). He makes more per hour, but doesn't fly as many hours per day or used as efficiently as we are. So what if we fly an extra two hours a day...if I'm gone from home I'd rather be productive. He's strongly considering putting his app in with SWA right now, but hates to give up the 9 years of senority with Delta...understandably.
I have my first month with vactation next month in February (the month so frowned on in above posts). I was originally scheduled to work 12 whole days, but with vacation overlap issue will only have 6 days on my line. Because I do LIKE to FLY (I used to pay for it you know), and I do LUV the folks I work with, I'm surely going to pick up more days which helps both the company and my family.
I really enjoy reading all the varied opinions and perspective on this forum...and don't post as often as some...but for those considering wanting to work for SWA and starting to feel a bit uneasy about some of the prior posts above, I wanted to offer you a sip of Kool Aid and tell you the water in the pool is warm...and worth wading in for a while. :beer:
A couple quick thoughts about posts above:
--30% voter turn out: It's pathetic, but tells me that the majority of the pilots are comfortable with the way the company is running operations and they're not moved to action to oppose what the company and SWAPA is proposing--a test period to collect some data...sounds pretty smart to me. You gotta like working for a company where you actually trust management.
-- PBS: I don't know a single SWA pilot that wants to give up our potential of Sweet vacation time. I do know 99% of the pilots that want to ensure the company remains profitable no matter what. Maybe that means examining PBS specifically designed for us with unique constraints that protect vacation like you read about.
-- Grass is always Greener syndrome: If you've worked for SWA (which I doubt the negative dude posting above has) and realize that you're not a good fit...you're not in the mainstream of Happy dudes willing to work a little harder and don't enjoy giving outstanding customer service...your "extra 5 minutes a day", that's cool--move on to what works for you. FDX is hiring and is an awesome company. I have several buddies there and have the utmost respect for the company and pilot group. After attending conferences and analyzing the aviation fatigue countermeasure studies, I realized that I was not a good "napper" and sleep cycle adaptive...and would probably end up in the 25% of cargo, back side carrier pilots, that never make it to age 60...they end up having to medically retire early--I would have been one of them. If you can hack the work schedule and dont' enjoy working with people, you'll be happy...hey, "the boxes don't B!tch" right? If after a few years you're disgruntled there also...well, now it's time to take a look at the man (or woman) in the mirror.
I enjoy the debate and banter on this forum...but started to sense a negative tone, which I don't think is at all mainstream of what I've experienced at SWA in my first year.
Cheers,
Speed
Ok, I'm just a young tad at SWA...but trying to understand how we're not the cat's meow. In my first year with the company (MDW based) I had every major holiday off including Thanksgiving and Dec 24th through Jan 3rd off. Yes, I was home for Christmas, the entire week afterward including New Years Eve and New Years Day until I voluntarily picked something up starting on the 3rd. I tried for Voluntary VJA (time and a half) over the holidays, but was outbid by other greedy capitalists of this great country.
I just started my second year of pay, and thanks to our current ability to pick up extra trips, I bumped up my schedule to work 16 days in January to offset some Christmas bills (with ELITT I was able to move trips and get every saturday off). For these 16 days (only 14 days away from home...two layovers are in my commuter city) I'm going to be paid $9,500, which includes per deim. My roommate from Air Force Pilot training is a 9th year FO with Delta on the 767 Intl. We recently compared notes and he worked every major holiday last year and is making less on average per day than I make as a second year FO with SWA (to clarify, that was as an 8th year FO on domestic 767 routes..but he says with the new pay cut our second year daily pay will still be comprable to his 9th yr Intl). He makes more per hour, but doesn't fly as many hours per day or used as efficiently as we are. So what if we fly an extra two hours a day...if I'm gone from home I'd rather be productive. He's strongly considering putting his app in with SWA right now, but hates to give up the 9 years of senority with Delta...understandably.
I have my first month with vactation next month in February (the month so frowned on in above posts). I was originally scheduled to work 12 whole days, but with vacation overlap issue will only have 6 days on my line. Because I do LIKE to FLY (I used to pay for it you know), and I do LUV the folks I work with, I'm surely going to pick up more days which helps both the company and my family.
I really enjoy reading all the varied opinions and perspective on this forum...and don't post as often as some...but for those considering wanting to work for SWA and starting to feel a bit uneasy about some of the prior posts above, I wanted to offer you a sip of Kool Aid and tell you the water in the pool is warm...and worth wading in for a while. :beer:
A couple quick thoughts about posts above:
--30% voter turn out: It's pathetic, but tells me that the majority of the pilots are comfortable with the way the company is running operations and they're not moved to action to oppose what the company and SWAPA is proposing--a test period to collect some data...sounds pretty smart to me. You gotta like working for a company where you actually trust management.
-- PBS: I don't know a single SWA pilot that wants to give up our potential of Sweet vacation time. I do know 99% of the pilots that want to ensure the company remains profitable no matter what. Maybe that means examining PBS specifically designed for us with unique constraints that protect vacation like you read about.
-- Grass is always Greener syndrome: If you've worked for SWA (which I doubt the negative dude posting above has) and realize that you're not a good fit...you're not in the mainstream of Happy dudes willing to work a little harder and don't enjoy giving outstanding customer service...your "extra 5 minutes a day", that's cool--move on to what works for you. FDX is hiring and is an awesome company. I have several buddies there and have the utmost respect for the company and pilot group. After attending conferences and analyzing the aviation fatigue countermeasure studies, I realized that I was not a good "napper" and sleep cycle adaptive...and would probably end up in the 25% of cargo, back side carrier pilots, that never make it to age 60...they end up having to medically retire early--I would have been one of them. If you can hack the work schedule and dont' enjoy working with people, you'll be happy...hey, "the boxes don't B!tch" right? If after a few years you're disgruntled there also...well, now it's time to take a look at the man (or woman) in the mirror.
I enjoy the debate and banter on this forum...but started to sense a negative tone, which I don't think is at all mainstream of what I've experienced at SWA in my first year.
Cheers,
Speed
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thanks to our current ability to pick up extra trips, I bumped up my schedule to work 16 days in January.
-------with SL31 open time is gone. If PBS comes it will totally be gone.
--30% voter turn out: It's pathetic, but tells me that the majority of the pilots are comfortable with the way the company is running...
--------no, it tells me the pilots at SWA are lazy and stupid. Most captains can't run the FMS let alone log onto SWAPA
but started to sense a negative tone, which I don't think is at all mainstream of what I've experienced at SWA in my first year.
--------that too will be gone when PBS comes and SL31 implemented
For those who think I don't work at SWA you can tell me why SWAPA just put out a rejection to the company's request to extend the negotiations to 2007? How about vote on it? Oh wait, does that mean the SWAPA people won't be able to rape us for trip pulls until 2007? Oh yeah, that's why!
-------with SL31 open time is gone. If PBS comes it will totally be gone.
--30% voter turn out: It's pathetic, but tells me that the majority of the pilots are comfortable with the way the company is running...
--------no, it tells me the pilots at SWA are lazy and stupid. Most captains can't run the FMS let alone log onto SWAPA
but started to sense a negative tone, which I don't think is at all mainstream of what I've experienced at SWA in my first year.
--------that too will be gone when PBS comes and SL31 implemented
For those who think I don't work at SWA you can tell me why SWAPA just put out a rejection to the company's request to extend the negotiations to 2007? How about vote on it? Oh wait, does that mean the SWAPA people won't be able to rape us for trip pulls until 2007? Oh yeah, that's why!
Slug
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7S3W7A,
A little test.
1. What link do you get taken to if you select the 401(k) button on the SWAPA web site?
2. What is the fourth link button down in the left hand column of the SWAPA members site?
3. Log on to SWAlife.com What is the first item listed under the need to know section in the right hand column?
I've read your rantings and don't believe you are a SWA employee. You spew a lot of negative crap on a continual basis. Where you got the contract extension stuff from, I don't know, but one little tidbit doesn't prove you work here.
You need to go other with the other 2% of never satisfied, disgruntled misfits and post your rantings on PPrune. Or can't you get logged in over there because you don't have an employee number? What is your callsign over there?
SPEED, Welcome to SWA. I'm always glad to see juniority to me. This is a great place to work and play. Don't let the few idiots drag you down or force their thoughts or opinions on you. The only negativity is the 2% of the pilots who would be as miserable anyplace else. I worked at UAL for 2 years under the "best contract in the industry". SWA is such a better place to work there isn't even a comparison.
Slug
A little test.
1. What link do you get taken to if you select the 401(k) button on the SWAPA web site?
2. What is the fourth link button down in the left hand column of the SWAPA members site?
3. Log on to SWAlife.com What is the first item listed under the need to know section in the right hand column?
I've read your rantings and don't believe you are a SWA employee. You spew a lot of negative crap on a continual basis. Where you got the contract extension stuff from, I don't know, but one little tidbit doesn't prove you work here.
I'll disagree with this one. There is a ton of open time. Look at MDW or BWI on any given day....lots of open time.
So, if you are a pilot at SWA you are stupid? This include you? The captains can run the FMS just fine and log into SWAPA. You sound like a bitter little man.
You need to go other with the other 2% of never satisfied, disgruntled misfits and post your rantings on PPrune. Or can't you get logged in over there because you don't have an employee number? What is your callsign over there?
SPEED, Welcome to SWA. I'm always glad to see juniority to me. This is a great place to work and play. Don't let the few idiots drag you down or force their thoughts or opinions on you. The only negativity is the 2% of the pilots who would be as miserable anyplace else. I worked at UAL for 2 years under the "best contract in the industry". SWA is such a better place to work there isn't even a comparison.
Slug
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Just to amuse people like you who like to pretend you're an ostrich instead of actually solving the fallacy that is our union. By the way, I never said SWA was a bad place but our union makes it that way. Do you live in Utah?Slug said:
1. 401kaccess.com
2. on the road
3. 2006 message to the field
No go continue to not fix anything but lie to these people how great everything is.
ivauir
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7S3W7A said:
This is almost english, but I guess I get your drift. What is it you are fixing but your rantings? If this is place makes you so mad you really should quit. Nothing in this world is worth what you are apparently going through here. I wish you the best in what ever you decide.
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