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lowecur

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Things are not going well for Herb and Gary in there effort to get the Wrong Amendment repealed. The Tenn support has died now that AMR has lowered airfares, and Gary has now said they would settle for a gradual phaseout of the amendment over 5 years.

The real kicker is the new threat to move corporate. Boeing moved to Chicago, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. I'm sure they could get it all paid for by anyone of a number of cities that would LUV to have them as tenants. I seriously doubt that it would change the minds of those locals that are lobbying to keep the Wrong Amendment in place.

Posted on Tue, Mar. 29, 2005

Southwest says it's ready for 'long, hard fight'

By Trebor Banstetter
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

FORT WORTH - Southwest Airlines will pursue its campaign to repeal the Wright Amendment as long as necessary, even if it takes years, the airline's top executive said Monday.

Gary Kelly, chief executive of Dallas-based Southwest, said he always anticipated the drive to eliminate the controversial amendment -- which restricts flights at Dallas Love Field -- would be a slow process.

"We knew when we got into this it would be a long, hard fight," Kelly told a group of Star-Telegram editors, reporters and editorial writers at a meeting with the newspaper's editorial board. "I don't care how long it will take, we'll keep after it until it falls under its own weight."

Kelly said he would be willing to allow the law to be gradually phased out over several years, to minimize the impact on Dallas/Fort Worth Airport and American Airlines. And he also hinted that the company might be forced to relocate its corporate headquarters to another city if Love Field remains restricted.

The Wright Amendment, approved by Congress 26 years ago, restricts flights from Dallas Love Field to adjacent states. It was later amended to include Kansas, Alabama and Mississippi.

Originally intended to protect then-new D/FW Airport from competition, the amendment in more recent years has kept Southwest -- the nation's largest low-fare airline -- from offering air service from North Texas to most of the nation.

That's because in North Texas, Southwest flies only from Love Field. The airline has rejected service at D/FW because the busy airport, which is American Airlines' largest hub, doesn't fit Southwest's business model.

Last year, Kelly broke with Southwest's long-standing neutrality on the issue and endorsed efforts to repeal the amendment, describing it as anti-competitive and out of date.

Attempts to overturn the federal law have been bitterly contested by D/FW Airport officials and Fort Worth-based American. They say the amendment is still needed to protect D/FW, which has suffered financially from the closure of Delta Air Lines' hub.

So far, the issue has gained little traction in Washington, D.C., despite lobbying by Southwest. Tennessee representatives' bill last year to allow flights from Love Field to that state died, and American apparently slowed the momentum by lowering fares between D/FW and Nashville.

But Kelly's statements Monday made it clear that the Wright Amendment issue isn't going away.

"It may take a long time," he said. The airline is willing to spend years lobbying on the issue if necessary, he said.

Ron Ricks, Southwest's senior vice president of governmental affairs, said he is working to educate members of Congress about the issue.

"Outside of a very narrow group, most people don't even know what this is about," he said. "We have an incredible learning curve."

Kelly also said he would be open to phasing the law out over time. That could help reduce the financial shock to D/FW and American.

American has a near-monopoly on long-haul flights from North Texas. Some airline analysts have estimated that the airline's supremacy here is worth as much as $500 million annually.

Financially struggling American has lost $7.3 billion since 2000, including a $761 million loss last year.

When asked what he thought about a five-year phase-out of the amendment, Ricks exclaimed, "Sold!"

But Kelly added that no one has approached the airline to discuss any type of gradual relaxation of the law.

"If we sat down to negotiate, we'd be sitting in a room by ourselves," he said.

Kelly also pointed out that Dallas may cease to be a good location for the company's headquarters if the restrictions stay in place.

Although stressing that he isn't threatening to move over the Wright Amendment fight, he acknowledged that Southwest's Love Field operation is shrinking while the airline is growing rapidly in other cities like Philadelphia and Chicago.

"Southwest is a growing company, but it's not growing in Texas," Ricks said. "The fact of the matter is, a shrinking market is not the best site to have a corporate headquarters."

Southwest's stock (ticker: LUV) rose 2 cents Monday to close at $14.20 per share.
 
This sounds expensive and unlikely. Not to mention the relocation upset for HQ employees and their families. But it grabs your attention.
 
Sounds EXTREMELY expensive since their training center is there and everything else. They would have to move all five (I think they have five) sims to the new city also. Although the statement about having a corporate headquarters in a shrinking market does make sense.

Philly might need to do something drastic like that IF USAirways goes away.
 
Put it in context that SWA would wait a few years for a phase out of the WA. I'm sure no immediate move is contemplated. A less drastic move is to just toake corporate HQ out much like Boeing did from Seatle to Chicago.
 
What type of incentives did DFW give to AA when they moved from NYC to DFW? A lot. What type of incentives did Chicago give to Boeing to move its corporate HDQ there? Would SAT be interested in the offer or HOU? Who knows but playing one city against another is the wise thing to do to shake up Laura Miller, mayor of Dallas to stop taking for granted the 2nd largest tax contributer to the city's coffers.

Yes it would be expensive but GK recognizes this isn't about short-term money making but long term.....also keep in mind there are rumblings that some large financiers are proposal a new airport out to the NE (up the I75 corridor toward beyond Plano) that in years to come could be a viable entity.....if SWA was to move out there when it opened it would be permitted to fly to any city in the system & have a new airport to boast about....many years down the road but don't think GK & others aren't wise enought to know that is coming & use it as a bargaining chip with Laura Miller. Insiders at AA have already admitted the WA will be gone privately, not if but when....I expect a negotiated peace agreement to be settled as is discussed in the article, a phase in period which would work out good for both parties. This will also spur the city of Dallas to update & improve the current facility which are woefully inadequate for an airport that will eventually serve all 60 cities Southwest flies to. That will occur down the road with the additional committment of airlines wanting to come to DAL once they see the WA going away.....the legacy guys won't miss the opportunity to compete with Southwest out of DAL but the cost to them will be at the bottom line....I'd expect a new terminal announcement shortly after the WA settlement/agreement/compromise is announced.....tear down the older concourse that currently houses some of SWA facilities & build a new terminal there & then relocate operations from the current one to those & tear down the current wing for new gates/terminal. Total gate capacity I believe is 31 based upon the old plan but local residents have said they will negotiate a new one from the 2003 plan if the WA is eliminated.....a lot of variables but this shot across the bow will be the one folks will look at that was the deciding factor....good on ya GK for doing this!!!
 
They will move to Chicago, and built their new HQ where the massive parking lot is at 72nd Street and Cicero once the mega parking garage on Laramie and 55th is complete!


SWAT, SWA & ATA, makes a cool name. SWAT!


Not only will Dick Daley get down on his knees, he'll be on all fours and bound.
 
chase said:
What type of incentives did DFW give to AA when they moved from NYC to DFW? A lot. What type of incentives did Chicago give to Boeing to move its corporate HDQ there? Would SAT be interested in the offer or HOU? Who knows but playing one city against another is the wise thing to do to shake up Laura Miller, mayor of Dallas to stop taking for granted the 2nd largest tax contributer to the city's coffers.

Sorry Chase, but there is much more to this than Laura Miller. I can't see her being able to twist too many arms politically for repeal of the Wrong Amendment to save her tax base. The tax consequences for an unviable D/FW far outweigh SWA leaving DAL.

That said, I could see SWA getting a great offer from a number of cities. In fact, I bet with tax incentives, bond issues, and moving costs thrown in, there are probably 20 cities that would be glad to have SWA. Heck if cities are willing to pay close to a billion for an NFL franchise, what is SWA worth.

If SWA does move that will probably be the straw that closes DAL. At that pt, if SWA wants a presence in the area, their only viable choice will be D/FW.
 
lowecur said:
Things are not going well for Herb and Gary in there effort to get the Wrong Amendment repealed. The Tenn support has died now that AMR has lowered airfares, and Gary has now said they would settle for a gradual phaseout of the amendment over 5 years.

Tennessee support is still going strong. It is the bill that allowed them to be added to the states that SWA is currently is allowed to fly to from DAL that died. Died when congress went into recess, NOT when AA lowered fares to TN. "Thats not good enough" said R-TN Bill Frist in references to AAs new fares. Tampa has thrown its hat into the ring and So Cal has been crunching numbers to decide their position. SWA is getting more and more help, just not from Texas politicians who have their hands in the pockets of AA and DFW. They will have you believe that it is a local issue that should be decided locally. Thats simply not the case.
 
Smart move. They can move the HQ without moving the training center, although with the right incentive package, they could come out ahead moving the whole thing.

There might be some property available for them here in Atlanta. It is right by the airport on Virginia Ave.
 
sleepy said:
Smart move. They can move the HQ without moving the training center, although with the right incentive package, they could come out ahead moving the whole thing.

There might be some property available for them here in Atlanta. It is right by the airport on Virginia Ave.

PLEASE move the traing center first - DAL is way too hard to get to!
 
sleepy said:
Smart move. They can move the HQ without moving the training center, although with the right incentive package, they could come out ahead moving the whole thing.

There might be some property available for them here in Atlanta. It is right by the airport on Virginia Ave.

That would be the perfect way to keep Airtran on their toes!
 
TexaSWA said:
Tennessee support is still going strong. It is the bill that allowed them to be added to the states that SWA is currently is allowed to fly to from DAL that died. Died when congress went into recess, NOT when AA lowered fares to TN. "Thats not good enough" said R-TN Bill Frist in references to AAs new fares. Tampa has thrown its hat into the ring and So Cal has been crunching numbers to decide their position. SWA is getting more and more help, just not from Texas politicians who have their hands in the pockets of AA and DFW. They will have you believe that it is a local issue that should be decided locally. Thats simply not the case.

An article backing this up...

Waiting for bill on Love Field


- 03/18/2005 - The Dallas Morning News

March 18, 2005

Waiting for bill on Love Field

American VP expects Wright legislation, but nothing is filed yet

By ERIC TORBENSON



WASHINGTON – American Airlines Inc.'s top lobbyist said Thursday that he wouldn't be surprised to see federal legislation introduced to change flight restrictions at Dallas Love Field.



Southwest Airlines Co. has been lobbying legislators in recent weeks to lift the Wright law, which limits most commercial service from the airport to nearby states.



"Eventually they're going to find somebody who's going to do it for them," said Will Ris, American's senior vice president of government affairs. "But it's a long way from having a bill offered out there from having some changing legislation being enacted," he said.



An effort last year to add Tennessee to the list of states Southwest can serve from Love Field died at the congressional session's end.



Southwest, which wants to offer nationwide service from Love Field, says the Wright law is anti-competitive and inflates airfares in North Texas.



No bill is imminent, said Southwest spokesman Ed Stewart.



"That's what we're working towards," he said. "We're meeting with lawmakers, and lawmakers will have the final say."



American and Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport strongly oppose any changes to the 25-year-old law, which they say would weaken service in North Texas as more traffic would shift from D/FW to Love Field.



American has other legislative priorities it would like to devote more time to – such as lower taxes on carriers and creating laws that would allow American to keep its pension plans.



"The fact that we've had to spend so much time and energy and resources focusing on the Wright amendment is immensely frustrating to us because of the magnitude of the other issues facing us," Mr. Ris said.
 
sleepy said:
Smart move. They can move the HQ without moving the training center, although with the right incentive package, they could come out ahead moving the whole thing.

There might be some property available for them here in Atlanta. It is right by the airport on Virginia Ave.

Getting the training center out of Dallas would be the best part. You can only get there non stop from the HOU base. Moving sims is no big deal.
 
They should have the sims in MCI. I have heard that from a senior dude...along time ago.
 
For any of that to be true, you'd have to believe that allowing LUV to grow at DAL would make DFW "unviable". There's not the remotest proof of that.

lowecur said:
Sorry Chase, but there is much more to this than Laura Miller. I can't see her being able to twist too many arms politically for repeal of the Wrong Amendment to save her tax base. The tax consequences for an unviable D/FW far outweigh SWA leaving DAL.

That said, I could see SWA getting a great offer from a number of cities. In fact, I bet with tax incentives, bond issues, and moving costs thrown in, there are probably 20 cities that would be glad to have SWA. Heck if cities are willing to pay close to a billion for an NFL franchise, what is SWA worth.

If SWA does move that will probably be the straw that closes DAL. At that pt, if SWA wants a presence in the area, their only viable choice will be D/FW.
 

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