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huronip said:
I've contributed $5,100 to SWA's $4,800. I will max out on my side because I increase my percentage during the summer months. SWA should match somewhere around $14,400 this year.

I should gross about $155,000 this year plus and additional $5,000 in per diem.

I live in domicile which helps on picking up last minute trips in open time, but I'm also in the bottom 10% of my domicile. If I moved to a more junior base I could easily make more money.
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Thanks for the answers, everyone, I appreciate it. The reason I ask is...

Also, how easy is it to just drop trips and not pick anything up in exchange? Can you go below min guarantee. With a commute to oak and going from 20 days off a month - to reserve, I'm not looking forward to the extra 60 days (90 days if you include commuting), I have to be gone from my family. Going to be hard to adjust. I think I would rather lose pay then my family....sure hope you can drop below min!
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^^^ this ^^^^

Although I don't think I'll be stuck commuting to OAK for any length of time, this 7 year F/O will be bidding amongst the 4.5 year SWA pilots, putting me just barely holding a line in MCO/BWI or solid line holding in LAS. With that, many of us would rather have the 18-19 days off we get now than have the extra money and only get 14-15 days off on paper, 10-11 actually "off" at home with our families and not commuting. (although I understand reserves can't drop days)... :(

Was told that was do-able for line holders most months and it sounded for a minute like my longevity might not be able to hold that... thanks for clarifying. :)
 
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Max Powers said:
I didn't think your guarantee was 95 hours? Thought it was 87-89 depending on days in the month? n!
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The 95tfp (not hours) just balances out the paycheck. Many line are built to less than 95tfp, but we are a group that like to pick up flying. Tha average pilot here gets 107 tfp/mo.
 
The June vacancy just came out with the Airtran transition guys from the first class.

3 BWI
4 DAL
5 HOU
2 LAS
6 MCO
2 PHX
2 MDW
 
Huron. Thank you.

Lear. You can put your whole reserve block in give away. Most likely it won't get taken. However (ie) if you get a two day trip on a four day block. You can put the remaining two days in give away. Much larger chance of getting taken by local pilot.
 
Whataburger said:
Lear. You can put your whole reserve block in give away. Most likely it won't get taken. However (ie) if you get a two day trip on a four day block. You can put the remaining two days in give away. Much larger chance of getting taken by local pilot.
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Good to know, thanks.

All-in-all, it sounds like you guys have a good system, just trying to learn a little in advance. :)
 
Max Powers said:
I didn't think your guarantee was 95 hours? Thought it was 87-89 depending on days in the month?

Also, how easy is it to just drop trips and not pick anything up in exchange? Can you go below min guarantee. With a commute to oak and going from 20 days off a month - to reserve, I'm not looking forward to the extra 60 days (90 days if you include commuting), I have to be gone from my family. Going to be hard to adjust. I think I would rather lose pay then my family....sure hope you can drop below min!
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No commute to OAK.
The first group of FAT guys:
3 BWI
4 DAL
5 HOU
2 LAS
6 MCO
2 MDW
2 PHX
 
TahoeBoarder said:
5th Pay is 47.5--it is not related to guarantee. 87-89 is guarantee but is rarely a factor.
Very difficult to drop trips--you've got to have something good for somone else to take from you. Can't drop into a pool.
Yes, you can drop below min but not likely--same as above.

Why do you think you'll be in OAK? If you're bottom rung CA, then be a top FO. If you're an pre-announcement FO, the combined list has hundreds of SWA peeps below you. Don't know why everyone thinks they will be displaced to OAK? You do know that 90+% of the OAK base actually wants to be here, right?
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Well maybe not Oak but you have to realize with 6 years at aai - I was stapled so when you factor in all the guys junior to me on the 717 - I will be in the bottom 3% system wide on the 737.

The key is; all the 717 FOs are very junior to most and will not be a factor when considering your "equipment" seniority when it comes to schedules bases etc. I may have 10% of the company below me system wide but on the 737 I am tail end charlie. I'm happy to be coming though, just for the record, but man I wish you could drop trip back to the company oh and also leave the flight deck with the APU or ground power on-whats up with that.
 
Max Powers said:
I'm happy to be coming though, just for the record, but man I wish you could drop trip back to the company oh and also leave the flight deck with the APU or ground power on-whats up with that.
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You can try and give away your whole line if you wanted. It won't work, but you might get someone to take a trip or two.

You can leave the flight deck with power on, but the accepted farthest distance you can be away from the plane is down doing the walk around or in the jet way. Why? Just fly it like a -200 and don't ask questions.
 
Secret Squirrel said:
Its more dramatic that way. They speak of being dry boned and molested and integrity. You can actually see the black could above their head when they walk around. And that was before the merger announcement. There is not a thread on the internal web forum that has not been turned into a we have been raped, SWA has not integrity, blah blah blah. Something as normal as a question about an overnight quickly degrades.
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There are only two posts on this thread that are negative (now three). Both are yours; a person that thinks bagging on his own pilot group will somehow ingratiate themself with SWA pilots. They know that you'll do it to anybody, including them.

Go back and review your whining during the furlough. You complained that the pilot group wouldnt stick up for themselves ..... Now you're selling your arse to anyone that will listen, for anything you can get. Ironic.
 
dicko said:
There are only two posts on this thread that are negative (now three). Both are yours; a person that thinks bagging on his own pilot group will somehow ingratiate themself with SWA pilots. They know that you'll do it to anybody, including them.

Go back and review your whining during the furlough. You complained that the pilot group wouldnt stick up for themselves ..... Now you're selling your arse to anyone that will listen, for anything you can get. Ironic.
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The term for those individuals is, "Vichy Tran".
 
Furlough? Have I brought that up since it actually happened? Again and again, incorporating it into every thread about anything remotely Airtran? I don't understand. Is it a bad thing that I wanted the company to fire me ( which I believe was against the contract) instead of allowing the union to make concessions to the contract? Yet another example of why I had no confidence in how this was going to be resolved. I am not trying to ingratiate myself to anybody (On an anonymous web board). Just sick and tired of the constant negativity ON EVERY THREAD. WE GET IT, YOU VOTED NO.
 
Commuting it of Nashville is tight to certain bases. Lear pm me if you want to know more info.
 
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Max Powers said:
I wish you could drop trip back.
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You can drop upto 4 duty periods with the company through ELITT. Ie: three day and turn, two 2days a four day. Net zero in ELITT just needs to be + and = to or greater for the number of duty periods desired to drop.
 
Hey - for the record..(yawn)... Those 6 year FOs were "stapled" behind 4 year FOs- you lost two years- that's it- it's nothing- no one here will feel sorry for you- and I don't have sympathy, bc as tex said- you don't know how good you're gonna have it-
Think some of you need to spend some quality time with a late '99 UAL hire to see someone who actually has been screwed by this industry.
 
And Lear, I'm sure some of you do wish this never happened. That and a bucket of chicken will get you a bucket of chicken-
Time to grow up and stop the comparisons. Bc it'll all change again many times over in this career. You wanted a career where mergers and all the change that comes with them don't happen, you shouldn't have chosen airline pilot.

This acquisition is throwing nerf balls at you guys compared to what this industry can do.
 
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And Lear, I'm sure some of you do wish this never happened.
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I never said that.

That and a bucket of chicken will get you a bucket of chicken-
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I don't eat at Popeyes. ;)

Time to grow up and stop the comparisons. Bc it'll all change again many times over in this career.
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I believed I asked a legitimate question with a legitimate concern. You should try seeing it from our point of view, not knowing what will happen, and asking questions in a calm, non-confrontational manner, then appreciating the answers that are given.

This acquisition is throwing nerf balls at you guys compared to what this industry can do.
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Yes, I think I'm pretty well-versed on what this industry can do, thanks. ;)
 
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I know you have Lear. I still say wow remembering your story. I think posting tired is about as bad as drunk, but grumpier since I tend towards 'happy drunk'-
I didn't mean to call you specifically out as bad as I did-
But believe me, after my furlough and seeing good friends go through so much in this career much worse, my tolerance for anybody saying the slightest thing negative on either the WN or AT side is about nil at this point. And we have a % here that won't shut up about it, and I'm real bored with them. It's just been settled too long and it's not that bad.
I would like you to keep me posted about how much time you're getting with the fam- I don't mean to minimize that.
And Lear, you've exceeded your private messages- this isn't gmail man(!)
 
Yeah, I've been meaning to clear out my box for a while, sorry about that.

No worries, I know tensions have been high and everyone is still finding their "happy place"; some will take longer than others. I'm just ready to move down the road, very happy to have a job and happy that if it had to be SOMEONE buying us, it was Southwest and not Republic or American. :D

Wait, did I just put Republic and American on the same level? lol ;)
 
Thanks, ASA, that would be great. :)

The MCO commute hasn't been bad at all, but I hear MDW is a bear. PM me with BWI details if you have them, although I may bid LAS from time to time just to get some better lines so when I drop time, people will actually WANT the trips. :)

Now to go collapse for a bit... 13 miles sucks. :puke: (but in a good way)
 
Any official word on contract negotiations? The last AT negotiation period lasted about what? 5 years... 3 presidents and 2 unions. Does SWA historically drag things out or will they try to keep this quick with all the moving pieces.

- Last talks went from Sep 2006 to Jan 2009 according to one article.
 
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Historically, most of the past agreements have been extensions with improvements/changes here and there. This last contract was a complete re-write. I don't think the openers happen for a few more months. The NC have recently been working on ETOPS/international/redeye side letters.

I fully expect a contract extension this time around, but who knows?
 

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